Sites staying open....
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How can we say? You know where you're hoping to stay and in what type of accommodation, not us.
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FWIW, much of the problem appears to stem from the UK Government not wishing to issue an instruction or order of 'No non-essential travel'. Until it does so [and perhaps the time is approaching rather quickly] the official policy is only to advise against [sic] leisure travel.
Thus, the Club is permitted to open its sites and members and the wider public are free to use them. Forum Members will be either 'for' or 'against' the use of sites at this time, but I cannot see that either the Club or individual Members can be vilified/condemned or otherwise castigated for choosing to do something which is still legally permissible, or for choosing not to use this permission. Both points of view are valid.
Those who choose to travel can literally 'pay their money and make their choice' whilst those against will stay put.
I am staying put because I am in the at risk category, and, having been effectively confined to barracks by being banned from driving after a heart attack in Spain in January, have no wish to repeat the claustrophobic feeling/stir craziness. Equally, we'll each be staying away from the grandkids ['Excused childminding duties' Note held]. But none of this will spare me from the oik in the Pharmacy who coughed down Elaine's and my neck this week ... At least on a CL, the idiot would have been out of 'gobbing range' ...
Steve
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Follow up post:
Looks like the moment may have arrived a little quicker than I thought!
PM just announced at his Press Conference that all pubs, bars, cafes and restaurants across UK must close tonight 'to avoid unnecessary social contact'.
Steve
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I have to agree that the measures should have been included in legislation. However, we're getting there with pubs, clubs etc now being told they MUST close tonight.
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For some of us, the van is our primary dwelling. It is where I would choose to self isolate, if that were the instructions from the government.
And it is as easy to avoid unnecessary contact here as at home. In fact, as I am in a relatively remote place here, perhaps easier.
The precautions at the check in seem sensible - if necessary the whole process could be changed. Some of the sites I visit operate with no contact at all, as you pay on line. This, of course, is not easy to implement overnight.0 -
In the event of an actual lockdown, that is exactly what we will do.
In the meanwhile, we are following the advice on 'social distancing' .3 -
So, the wife was right. A big change came today and there will be more uniformed officers on the streets to enforce it.
The next step will be full lockdown, probably in a week or so when we approach 300-400 deaths a day. If you insist on driving around with your caravans or in motorhomes, despite being non essential travel, you haven’t got long to continue doing it before we’re all told to stay at home unless working for essential sectors.
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but the government advice is
STAY AT HOME PROTECT THE NHS SAVE LIVES
if your home is in your van on a remote site, then surely you should not be touring the country, just because you chose to live in your van in my book does not give you the right to tour the country
the whole object of the exercise is to limit unnecessary travel so that we dont have a similar situation as Spain for example2 -
Indeed.
I am not, currently, touring the country.
It sounds as though that is not going to be an option for quite some time, either, so, provided the sites are happy for us to stay put we can oblige.
Of course, van life is a very different thing to 'house life'. And very different from touring, too - that, of course, is at an end for the foreseeable future I would suspect. Maybe 6 months. Maybe 12.
Those of us that live in vans will also not be able to tour, but we will be seeking places that can accommodate longer term pitching arrangements.0 -
The PM has [tacitly] acknowledged the practical difficulties of enforcing a travel ban or restriction, because of the importance of the road network to public services and freight deliveries. An increased number of daily deaths is unlikely to change that pragmatism.
Social distancing infractions will make a greater contribution to the death toll, I suspect, as an Italian Professor observed: 'The younger [sic up to 50 years old] have greater social circles and tend to socialise in groups more, and that is why the infection rate and death rate will move towards this group'.
Difficult to gauge the UK picture because we are told only the age range in the daily figures [IIRC, today's are 50-90+] but the younger ages are beginning to appear. Guardian reports from a pub in Penge that drinkers were shaking hands, imploring mates to hurry down to the pub before closing time, and playing pool, oblivious to the social distancing advice.
Steve
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Those of us that live in vans will also not be able to tour, but we will be seeking places that can accommodate longer term pitching arrangements
hope sites will oblige so that you can stay put, and this may provide sites with some much needed income , good luck
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Steve, a travel ban will eventually be enforced as a next step in the coming weeks. A system of declaring your reason for travel with completed forms as they are doing in France will come into force.
Travel will only be permitted for essential workers and services, there will be regular check points introduced to enforce this.
As the UK death rate increases, it will come
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Possibly. I suspect the opposite, not least because the checking and enforcement will slow down vital supplies, and it will be difficult to apportion deaths between social distancing failure and non-essential travel.
The Chief Scientific Adviser is on record as saying that anything less than 20,000 deaths will be a crisis management win [not in those exact words ...] so the hit to the population is possibly not the Government's priority.
The priority is more likely [but not broadcast] to be protecting the economy [measures today are forecast to hit GDP by some 10%, higher than both the 2008 Financial Crash and the 1929 Great Depression], to preserve its strength to support the cost burden of treating the population, whilst pushing the 'stay at home' message relentlessly.
It's possible that the French threat to ban UK travelers may change UK Government approach, hard to tell at this stage.
FWIW, I don't propose traveling and I don't propose close socialising, especially whilst I'm in the 'At Risk' group. But, for the foreseeable future, we will have the tension between the 'Can Travel'/'Don't Travel' Camps.
Interesting times. I have found the last supplies of Custard Powder locally [Village Co op, Asda wiped out!], we have enough fruit & veg for soups galore, no toilet roll restocking but did grab 4 kitchen rolls, so if we have to self isolate, we can do so in relative comfort. Bracing [i.e. freezing] walks along the Firth of Forth with very few people about will keep the circulation pumping so fingers crossed that I don't pop my clogs before Nationwide process my Travel Insurance Claim [latest promised deadline sailed by today - again!] ...
Stick or Twist, as the Chancellor said tonight, we need to show compassion to each other and to tackle the crisis together. No background chorus of 'Give Peace A Chance' playing though ...
Steve
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Club, are you watching and listening to what is going on? I know it is a fast changing situation but Each day is a game changer and It is NOW the time to close the site network. The only sites or arguable exceptions might be the non facility (shower/toilet block) sites and there may be an argument to allow access to seasonal pitched vans. The message in the video is a cop out and not what i expect of any organisation. PLEASE ACT NOW!
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I fully agree, it is time for the Club to take the lead and close all their sites and sadly recommend that the CLs close as well.
I don't understand people's reasoning about travelling around with a van on the back, what part of essential travel does it come under? It beggars believe that intelligent human beings think they are immune from this virus or they cannot possiby pass it on to others. We are in a situation where we must all pull together and act as one and that means listening to the experts and stay at home!
I would love to go away, but I cannot because of this situation!
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Next week we have two days off (only happens once a month ) and we had vaguely planned to go away in the caravan instead we are hooking up and going down our fields for a couple of nights. No one near for miles. I know not every one can do this, but please don’t be taking unknown infections to other areas.
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Go for it Goldie, I am most envious, how lovely. 😁
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Goldie, that last sentence pretty much sum it all up cheers.
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One of our local Tesco Express Shops has an ATM cash machine outside.....that has a pair of feet painted below it to show you where to stand. 🤔😂
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Have just been watching our local news. A report from Devon and Cornwall MPs, Councils and Tourisms Officers asking holiday makers to Stay Away! We have fewer hospitals than built up areas and a higher elderly population. They are also asking second home owners to Stay Away! How is traipsing a caravan across the country a necessary journey? Local large holiday sites are closing partly due to pressure from local tourist groups and their concerns for local people. And still the C&MC remain open! It's a shame, it's spring, we want to get out. But people are dying. Be responsible, stay at home.
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The Government very early on said it would support all industries financially in this situation. This club by advocating " Unecessary travel" and the real potential to spread the disease,should be excluded from such schemes. Its not as though they have not got other similar businesses to follow ie Centre Parks, Haven etc who have closed their sites. What, if anything are HO doing.
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If where we store our motorhome (in our back garden) wasn't on a slight slope I think I would be tempted to spend a few nights in it just for practice!!!
David
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