Braithwaite Fold C&CC site

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  • Chrystal
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    edited October 2019 #32

    It is true we were talking to the site minders, such a shame it is a lovely loch site. They did say it is going to be a private site.

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited October 2019 #33

    Can't say that I was enamoured with the Luss Site, we found it very noisey, both from the road directly behind and from the hotel adjacent, and wet in places.

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2019 #34

    I see that tender submissions are open until 1pm on 15th November for a 10 years lease

    Mod Edit to add link

    https://procontract.due-north.com/Advert?advertId=41e55fab-9ee9-e911-80fa-005056b64545

     

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2019 #35

    Thanks for sorting the link! 

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited October 2019 #36

    It's interesting that they are now offering a ten year lease, double the previous lease I think? I wonder if they have realise that no one will invest in a site with such a short lease. I also wonder if the C&CC were given any advance notice as the bidding process is still in progress it seems they may have been a bit premature in saying they won't run the site in future, unless they have looked at the figures and decided it's not worth it. Would a ten year lease and the prospect of spending half a million to upgrade attract the CMC for just ten years?

    David

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2019 #37

    I think that there are around 52 pitches inside the site gates and 3 or 4 grass only outside. Not idea if the proposed additional 27 pitches have been added. Yes I think that the previous lease was 5 years as we visited the site in May 2013 initially when it was with CC. I could not see that the C&CC had made any changes when I was there last year. Maybe some equipment changes in the showers etc

  • brue
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    edited October 2019 #38

    Possibly both clubs were faced with the dilemma of a facilities upgrade and subsequent costs against an unsatisfactory lease arrangement?

  • Jacbear
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    edited November 2019 #39

    Hello,

    The extension did go ahead at Braithwaite and is open. 

    I stayed on there in October and pretty good , much more space than on the original site. 

    However , they have not added any additional toilet facilities so I imagine at peak time could be an issue - they have added an additional water point. 

    One watchout is that pitches right next to the main road do get more noise than the main site ….one upside in this having been a C&CC site is that its been relatively easy to book ahead but their 3 day minimum at off peak is a pain …...…..swings and roundabouts...

    Just remember when it was CMC it got fully booked very quickly from bookings  opening ...……..Jacbear

     

     

  • Tammygirl
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    edited November 2019 #40

    We dropped in to see the site when on a drive last week,  it was busy, not full but busy.

    We thought it looked very cramped, mostly motorhomes but a fair number of caravans too. Only 1 or 2 had porch awnings up, cars parked across front of pitches. In summer with more caravans with awnings it must feel awfully tight for space. 

    Its in a great place and very popular but all around it they are building what looks like luxury apartments about 4 or 5 stories high, they could holiday lets or permanent ones not sure.

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2019 #41

    We used it last year before the extension. Virtually unchanged from when CC had it. There were the usually ratio of awning users to non awning users. I never like a car parked across a pitch but it is a convenient location for a 5 night stop. 

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited November 2019 #42

    Jacbear 

    According to the C&CC website they say

    "Overview
    Braithwaite Fold Club Site will cease to operate as part of The Camping and Caravanning Club network on 02/01/20"

    So it would have been open in October. Are you saying you have new information to suggest the C&CC have agreed a new lease?

    David

  • KjellNN
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    edited November 2019 #43

    I think Jacbear  means the extension of the site that planning permission was granted for, not the extension of the lease.

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2019 #44

    When were in The Lake District about 8 years ago We wanted to park in a visitors centre and walk into a nearby town for lunch. Three hours parking was around £5. It was near the end of a holiday and we had run out of change. We keep car parking money in the ashtray. I was going to try and get change when I met somebody that I occasionally met at work. Everybody knew my name when working even if I often did not know theirs smile  - Probably because of my straight talking and folk would refer to AT's diplomacy. 

    We had a natter and I said I was off to get some change. She insisted in giving me the parking money and said to pay her next time we met. laughing

  • Sumitra
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    edited November 2019 #45

    They have acquired some new sites in the Lake district.

  • RichardGibson
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    edited November 2019 #46

    I have just had it confirmed by the CMC that they are not operating Braithwaite Fold in 2020. When I last stayed there in 2019 the builders were at work extending the site, site excavated and roads set out. 

  • JillwithaJay
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    edited November 2019 #47

    Richard - CMC?  Can you clarify that you mean the Camping and Caravanning Club? 

  • InaD
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    edited November 2019 #48

    Jill, it must be the C&CC, link to their website HERE

    Edited to say that you need to scroll down to below the picture.

  • yung
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    edited January 2020 #49

    I just found out The site is no longer managed by C&CC as of this week.

  • Wherenext
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    edited January 2020 #50

    How strange that they spent money on a site that was only open for a further few months.

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited January 2020 #51

    What we want to know now is how has taken on the site if its not the C&CC? It is well past the tendering stage and if the site is to open for this years season it will have to happen soon.

    David

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #52

    Was it the ccc that spent the money or as it is a local authority's site did they do the work and then expect the ccc would pick up the bill with a much higher lease  extension price

    It was I understand the main reason the cc pulled out,

    Things these days are very accountants running things instead of those who know the business 

  • Wildwood
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    edited January 2020 #53

    It says on Caravan Talk that the club has taken on the lease for this site and it will reopen in May after refurbishment, (presumably of the toilet block).

    The C&CC apparently did not want to renew the lease, they have bought two other sites in2019 in the Lake District so may think they do not need it.

    The council apparently added the extra pitches before putting the lease out to tender. I have not seen anything from the club on this though.

  • KjellNN
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    edited January 2020 #54

    There is a post on SwiftTalk where it says they were at CCC Keswick and the manager there told them that the CCC have  just renewed the lease, presumably for 10 years, at a cost of £4 million, and will reopen in May after an upgrade.

    So it seems confusion reigns as to which club has taken it.

  • brue
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    edited January 2020 #55

    The WWW is a wonderful thing...laughing The site went out to tender last October for a ten year lease (renewable for another ten years.) The deadline was in November so someone has done the deed. wink

  • MikeyA
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    edited January 2020 #56

    If the CAMC haven't taken on the lease then maybe Rowena will be able to confirm this very quickly, - OTOH if the CAMC has taken on the lease we can expect a long wait. laughing

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited January 2020 #57

    I had it from a reliable source this morning, who had been in conversation with Braithwaite yesterday, that the Lake  District Planning Authority are at present in talks with the CC, the C&CC, and other interested parties and that a decision on who would be running this site would not be reached till sometime in February. One can believe what one wants it appears.

  • Wildwood
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    edited January 2020 #58

    If that is right then they could be leaving it too late for the work to be arranged for and completed in time for the site to be occupied until rather late.

  • paulmold
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    edited January 2020 #59

    There can't have been any interest in previous tender as it's back out for tender now, the previous being for a manager and is now looking for a tenant on a 25 year lease....

     

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  • DavidKlyne
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    edited January 2020 #60

    I am sure if they had offered the CMC a 25 year lease I suspect we would still have the site and  it would now be up and running as a fully refurbished CMC site?

    David

  • brue
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    edited January 2020 #61

    I have a horrible feeling that it will be a money spinner as an extension to the two car parks if tenders fail. frown