LPG pumps on campsites

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  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #302

    You admitted on an earlier post that the "company"that employed you and had an LPG pump for employees to use on company vehicles the staff after being shown how to competently use the pump by anther competant employee could use the pump unsupervised, how would that be carried out on cc club sites with the general public, and it is noted that the site mentioned in the OP also needs a member of the office staff to be in attendance,wink

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2020 #303

    Is the majority of CC Ltd customers still so dishonest, untrustworthy, and unsafe to be let out alone?

    Irrelevant The Red Book recommends monitoring so the anybody filling does not have a fag in their mouth or are filling inappropriate containers/ A CMC risk assessment might determine that all members are angelic 

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  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #305

    I would think as posted by others, motor caravans/campervans seem to be those with more "need?"for sites to have LPG pumps installed , would fill the gas tank when arriving or leaving sites , which would also mean moving to another spot as they would also be filling/emptying their tanks at a diferent areasundecided

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  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #307

    Oh yes you did read your own post wink

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2020 #308

    I think they were referred to as cigarettes. Also any risk assessment might discount this

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #309

    DD read and remembercool

  • davetommo
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    edited January 2020 #310

      I fill my safefill container up at an unmanned pump which really is unmanned ie a pump alone with no one there.  What is funny is that it is next door to the calor depot, they wont let you fill up with safefill 

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  • KjellNN
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    edited January 2020 #312

    He did say "first use"

    When  you have done it the first time, you then know how to do it.  The filling process is the same, no matter where the pump is situated.

    So no need for a member of staff to show every customer what to do.

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #313

    And that was for an employee of the company who had not used the equipment before, how does that apply to a member of the public /member who wants to fill up at a club site and is not normally known to the site staff,  it is a completely different set of circumstances, can you advise why you think that is a similar scenario? or are you saying that the staff should just accept that if a member says they have been shown before ,to leave them selves vunerable as in today's society, and anybody with any "legal knowledge?" I would not expect to try to wriggle by "liking" your post  undecided

  • young thomas
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    edited January 2020 #314

    yes, agreed... i am a Countrywide account holder and one of our pumps is very local....sited in a trading estate, next to a scrap yard....

    i have a "key" and a pass code to allow me to fill...there is no supervision, nor was i given (or vetted for) special training in opening my account...

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #315

    If not competant to use it  then why would the company's staff be allowed to supervise the employee who is being trained in the use of the equipment ,undecided- 

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #316

    And you were not shown how the equipment worked ?or was it another case of a company leaving them selves open to  if you miss fill and then say "wasn't shown how it worked"

  • KjellNN
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    edited January 2020 #317

    Have you ever used an LPG pump JVB?

    I have used several, at petrol stations in various different countries, nobody has ever asked me if I know what to do, nor have I ever  had anyone show me how to work the pump.

    There are instructions on the pump.  You cannot start filling if the nozzle is not properly connected.  The nozzle is locked in position.  The pump stops automatically in the same manner as a petrol pump.  It also stops if you let go of the big button.

    I do not see how you could "miss fill"

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #318

    That would be in the UK as well? 

     I think some need to read the fire brigade instructions ref Lpg pumps  ref use

    And then expect lpg pumps remote from club site staff vision to be available 

  • KjellNN
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    edited January 2020 #319

    Yes, UK, France, Germany, Belgium, Holland......probably other countries I cannot remember.

    I do not think anyone is saying that staff should not be able to see what is going on, there could be CCTV, just that close supervision, or staff actually doing the filling, is not necessarily needed.  That is how it is in fuel stations.  You can ask for help if you need to.

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  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #322

    Which ever way you think ,it was still training/supervision of someone not used to useing the equipmentundecided

    And as the op the same applys to anyone as noted in the site info,which according to fire service instruction is what is required ,,with remote pumps/tanks as on most caravan sites ,would also apply wink

     

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #323

    As is one of your ""favnorite"answers its out there you just need to look instead of not understanding

  • young thomas
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    edited January 2020 #324

    funnily enough, Sainsbury, Esso, BP, tesco, Morrisons etc, etc have never put me through 'pump school' when using any of their diesel pumps....

    as Kjell says, you're obviously an LPG 'expert' (as in every other subject of debate on CT) and are able (unequivically) to tell others (real world users) what a complex and risky process it is....

    its a puppet.....sorry, pump! even i can use one.

     

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #325

    All the pumps as per regulations are as I have noticed in self serve fuel stations, have hopefully, "idiot proof?"instrutions  and as with all pumps are controlled by the forecourt staff,any remote pumps are i.e. where you were "allowed?" as an authorised person after being shown/trained in the use ,,then as noted and checked on line any other remote pump is required to be attended/supervised, ,which it seems would include clubs or any other remote pump that the public have access toundecided

    As per the instructions on the site in the OP of this threadwink

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  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #327

    West Yorshire fire service a more reliable read as they are on fire breaks on caravan site are a better read

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  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #329

    You do not have a computer as you so often state when no link is forthcoming from your endsmile

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2020 #330

    Missed your reply whe  posted , but cannot understand where you think that at Henlow bridge and lakes site , does not to comply with the regs by not attending the lpg pump, as they say "on arrival call at the office so a member of staff can attend"

  • Freddy55
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    edited January 2020 #331

    Oh my goodness, this is getting really boring now.

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