New charges for electric car charging
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I have not seen anything, but I can see it coming if the numbers increase. Quite simply if people start charging their cars in large numbers then the electric bill will rocket, so some account has to be taken of this or we will all be paying for other peoples motoring.
Having said that the charge looks high, as my nephew with a Tesla says that the cost of a full recharge for that is about £5. Unless the club has a high output charger system fitted then charging some of these cars will take forever so possibly in the main they would have to be used to top up the charge rather than a full charge.
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This is a genuine question which those with the technical knowledge may be able to answer.
On the majority of club sites and many commercial sites, the available electricity supply to the site distribution network will not meet the present peak demand so they ask that we are careful not to use more electricity than is absolutely necessary at peak times.
How can electric car charging on a large scale be possible without the grid supply to the sites being greatly increased?
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How can electric car charging on a large scale be possible without the grid supply to the sites being greatly increased?
It possibly cannot be but large scale charging of EVs is a way off. I suspect that the same issue probably applies in many small villages also. The infrastructure has a way to go yest IMO.
'I can't come to work today as we had a power cut yesterday'
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I think it was a couple of years ago ,Cambridge City Council "advised" that no internal combustion engine vehicles were to be a allowed in the city centre (as other councils seeem to want?)but as the bus companies boss said apart from wanting an additional 25% more buses to cover for those on charge there is not the infrastructure to available to cope with the add power needed for all the electric compliant vehicles , so even less so in rural ares as most club sites are,
Can we have an extra time on site please as the power cut on site has not given time to give our tow vehicle enough power to get to next charging point with the caravan on tow
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an interesting club policy....
i dont know what might happen for folk taking these things abroad, but the site we are on now charges €0.40 per kw/h (about the going rate) over and above your 4 kw/h daily allowance...
might make for an expensive trip....
OTOH, bottled gas is dirt cheap so its easy to stay inside electric limits and so is diesel (and petrol) for running 'old technology' vehicles...
different markets support (or not) different priorities....
perhaps a self-charging hybrid might be the way to go depending on where you spend most time.
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This is another classic example of the Club not utilising the best medium for getting information out to its Members. Facebook and the Club magazine will only reach a limited readership. As will this forum of course. An email to all the Membership, one that overrides preferences, would clarify the actual situation much clearer.🤷♀️
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Nail on head👍🏻. That will be my route eventually-the hybrid, no need to suffer ‘battery anxiety’ I think it short sighted to go from ICE to Battery in one fell swoop😕
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CAMC needs to beat the system on social media and get the info out on all platforms at the same time. It still can't reach those who don't use any from of social media and shun the web.
Apart from that I don't understand what's going on with these proposed charges, Does the club know how many EVs and hybrids are on sites, what their battery capacity and charging needs are? It seems like a shot in the dark to me and highly off putting to those who genuinely need to know. I doubt very much that the charging of EVs is the cause of rising utility costs on sites at present.
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That is correct about electricity charges, but then as posted before that does not include the costs of the hookup and installations and annual maintaining and testing of the instalation ((same as meter charges for domestic supplies but much higher for commercial instalations)
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The post I was referring to was on the EHU on CL's thread, Cholsey Grange stated:-
As I may have mentioned before, at our CL we have fully serviced pitches with free WiFi but meter our electric usage. Within the Pitch fee we include 10 KwH per night - which means that during the Summer months we never need to charge anyone (unless they bring an electric car or I suspect they have multiple heaters in awnings!). On the other hand, at this time of year it ensures we remain economically viable.
A case in point, I had a visitor staying for 12 days recently. They did not have an awning, but were in the van most of the day. They used 562 units across the duration of their stay, or an average of 46 per night.
As we pay 22pence (Including VAT) for every unit of electric (when you include standing charges & climate levy) this equates to £10 worth of electricity per day. As agreed - and set out clearlly in all our communications the extra cost was passed onto them and paid without complaint.
Conclusion: CLs offering unmetered EHU are probably losing money on some winter visitors when other costs are taken into account.
No idea what the club pay and I doubt we will ever find out.
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There are some longer distance pure ev batteries now so things are changing rapidly. You could debate that elsewhere! If I had a hybrid or ev that I was going to take onto a site (which I'm not going to do even though I'm ev owner) I'd like to see some actual clarification on the proposed costs and admin.
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It seems very high to me too, though I would be very surprised if Club sites are paying that much.
Is the cost of the installation and testing of a bollard not the same no matter how much power is supplied through it? I would have expected that to be the case. So if the vehicles are being charged via the caravan and not via an additional bollard, the unit price used would not have to be increased to pay for additional bollards or testing.
I have seen domestic supplies as low as just over 10p + VAT per unit, we are paying around 13p at home, and at our Guide Hall we pay roughly the same on a commercial tariff, but I would have expected large users like the Club to be able to negotiate a much more favourable price, even taking into account the higher rate of VAT they would pay.
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Check national grid , or whatever they are called these days . They predict we have not got enough supply .Back to coal then ?
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The power cut in the London area last year shows, it seems, that the national grid supply is already close to its limits
Also as posted elsewhere the supply to and on sites in the winter months is under some stress already ,which looks as if big investment in the supply to sites and on some sites is needed
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Strikes me the Club is ducking the real issue about to descend upon them. An official report predicts EV ownership will rocket in the next two years. It will be interesting to see what type of pitch bollards are put in at sites like Clayton. Will they be capbale of being upgraded to take meters?
I can only see the costs of pitches rising and rising with the current policy.
Bru, they maybe getting an idea about EV ownership within the Club from the surveys you are asked to fill in after a site visit. There is section with questions about EV ownership now and planned.
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Not sure about "ducking" the issue any less than the the government and power companies with what it seems their lack of investment in infrastructure to cope,
The new electric trains that have and are being introduced in the UK are it seems so much more power hungry than what they have replaced that the power supplies have had to be upgraded in several places with add sub stations on the East Coast route that we use so it must be the same elsewhere,as the same types are being or have been introduced
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I think you are mixing up demand and supply, more demand then increased supply is needed. But on sites demand is limited by supply eg you charge an EV and have to reduce your other demands on the supply, your supply has set limits via the bollard.
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