C&MC prices V C&CC prices
There are often comparison between the clubs re prices, facilities etc.
There are also complaints about the rising costs of pitch night fees, as recently announced.
Something we've noticed over the last few weeks while touring is the difference between the 2 clubs re the onsite staff's accomodation.
On the C&MC sites that are open all year, we've noticed that the warden usually has accomodation provided. Sometimes its a brick built building, at others a mobile home.
With the C&CC we've not seen that even on all year sites, they live in their own vans.
The site we are on at the moment Commons Wood, there are currently 44 pitches in use, yet there are 2 sets of wardens and 2 mobile homes provided.
At Stonehaven and other sites there is around 100 pitches yet only one set of wardens, the site isn't open all year, it closes early January and opens again in March so no accommodation provided, yet Kendal which is closed for longer there is accomodation provided.
It got me wondering why.
Also as much as no one would deny wardens on all year sites their comforts, how does providing them with the accommodation impact on the overall costs of running a site against C&CC approach.
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I don’t believe it’s quite as per your observations, TG.
Wardens on C&CC sites often have accommodation of varying types at the rear of the office and some have separate accommodation provided. Moffat immediately springs to mind as an example of one with a static caravan.
Overall, I doubt there is much difference between the clubs in terms of warden accommodation and the cost of such provision is likely to be but a spot in the ocean.
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Might be historical TG. Some of the Club’s Sites are 60 years plus old. Couple of Racecourse Sites have Static vans. Mind they are seriously exposed to extreme weather.
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I did say no one would deny them their comfort.
Just wondered on the different approach with the 2 clubs.
Also the difference in staffing levels even within this club, as I know Stonehaven site I used that as an example of a fairly large busy site yet only 1 set of wardens, opposed to this site half the amount of pitches at the moment yet 2 sets of wardens.
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Our wardens do a fantastic job, often praised on here, often going beyond what is required and they deserve good quality accommodation.
I have no idea if one club provides better accommodation or it costs more but I would think not, and I doubt this makes the club's sites more expensive, which is what the OP appears to be hinting at.
Even if true that is immaterial, club sites prices are what they are, I believe them to be better than CCC sites and the sites themselves worth paying for.
What should happen, have our wardens live in basic accommodation to lower prices?
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Can't say I've noticed that on the sites we've used so far tinny. The site staff seem to live in their vans.
We've used Moffat a fair bit not noticed a mobile, must look harder the next time
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Tend to select ours sites on their location rather than what club they belong to. Any site open all year will tend to lend itself to some form of permanent accommodation. It might also depend warden/site manager rotation. If the site has a permanent warden/site manager I suspect that site will be inclined to have some form of permanent place to live? Whether it also impacts on the price we pay I suspect is difficult to conclude as they operate different booking systems and with a few exceptions I tend to find CMC site fuller than C&CC ones.
David
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That was not my suggestion at all CS but not surprised by your response.
I did say no one would deny them their comfort.
Just giving observations as we see them.
I wouldn't say that one club is better than the other, they are different both provide good standards of campsites.
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The Moffat static is right at the entrance close to reception. It’s next to the area where the chickens used to live. I’m surprised you missed it.
I think there are wardens’ statics at Scone as well but can’t be sure. The old wartime buildings at Blackmore C&CC used to be warden’s accommodation so I dare say the new buildings fill the same role but, tbh, it’s not something I’ve made a study of. 🤷🏻♂️
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Agree with you on selecting a site for its location, however if like Sandringham and Malvern these are next to each other I will always look at who gives the best VFM.
You might well have a point re permanent accommodation being provided due to the site staff rotation. I know friends of ours who used to run the Edinburgh site lived in a small bungalow on site but they worked all seasons not just summer or winter contracts.
Dissagree on the C&MC being fuller than C&CC, that's certainly not the case on this trip so far. Its been the other way round. However we are not using the most popular C&MC sites.
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Thanks for that, just shows you what you can miss
I wonder if what we've seen are the assistant site managers
as we have definitely seen them going into their units alongside the reception buildings. Might be the case as I know at one site the staff were due to finish for the season and new staff arriving for the winter.0 -
Really TG? I find that hard to fathom. If you are giving your observations about accommodation only then:
Why your title for one thing C&MC prices V C&CC prices, why have the word prices in the title, doesn't that give a good idea of what your post is really about?
Then your second paragraph: There are also complaints about the rising costs of pitch night fees, as recently announced. Why put this in if it has no relevance to your observations
Then you talk about the difference in accommodations, these clearly imply a connection between prices and accommodation as has been picked up on?
But really if that is not your intention then apologies but perhaps get the word prices removed from the title?
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There are definitely pitches for the assistants beyond the office at the start of the pitching area. Three, I think, because it’s a very busy site.
That raises another point quite separate from the accommodation question. It’s not necessarily the number of pitches which governs the number of wardens required but the customer turnover which makes a site busy or not and Moffat has an extremely high turnover rate. Hence 3 or 4 sets of wardens.
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The amount of site staff relevant to size of site I would have thought does have some bearing.
Stonehaven is a busy and fairly large site but only 1 set of wardens, while others are half the size with less generous facilities to look after yet have more staff.
Moffat can be busy at times but we've been there when only 6 units are on site and 1 pair of staff.
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I keep hearing about CAMC wardens going the extra mile but I'm sorry I don't get it. As far as I can see they carry out their job description by booking you in and keeping the site in good order, isn't that what the vast majority of people will have done in their own jobs. Why the need to constantly praise them?
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Lol, some might call it fake news, I wouldn't of course.
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A polite reminder to ask everyone to keep this discussion friendly and free from arguments. Everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as the conversation can say constructive and on topic. Many thanks.
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Totally agree, I too often went "the extra mile" in my job within the NHS, and no doubt most people would/have.
Equally though, although admittedly only on a few occasions, I've also met wardens who were downright unpleasant. But again, that's also the case within other working environments.
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As in life the answer is not a simplistic one as it might think. As a warden may I say that the siting of accommodation whether it be a static or a converted building is generally subjected to the local authority or nat parks planning guidelines.
Most OAY sites with the CAMC will have usually have accommodation of some description but not all. I cannot comment re the treble C set up.
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