Speeding on sites
Just returned from a week at Black Knoll site. The vast majority of caravanners exceeded the 5mph on site. Although there are numerous signs on the site, most exceeded this. Perhaps the Club should consider putting in cicanes when refurbishing sites that if they were sharp enough with kerbs would then make the speeders slow down to the 5mph.
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Speed ramps are an attempt to control speeds,but just make for hard breaking and then accelerate when clear as can be heard when the caravan jumps over,and chicanes will be the same without the flying caravan,
A warden some years ago used to have a blackboard with the registration numbers of vehicles that were travelling to fast,it did work, but was "advised"by EGG to stop after complaints from probably the ones who got noted
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No doubt you discussed the issue with the wardens. Did they explain what, if any, measures they take to deal with those who break the speed limit and what steps they would like to see taken to prevent the problem?
I'm not convinced that chicanes are the answer as they would have to be well spaced to allow large units through and would have no effect on cars or small campers. In my experience, it’s usually solo cars which tend to be driven too fast on site.
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Railwayman, you could buy a speed gun for £14.99 on eBay and spend your time standing prominently with it in the campsite roadway...or you could go off site and leave things to the warden.
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So you said before, Easy, but surely, if it’s something of such a huge concern as to prompt the starting of another discussion here, you’d want to hear the warden's version of the problems before putting pen to paper, so to speak, on here? I certainly would as I’d want to be in possession of as much info as possible before inviting open discussion. It’s common sense, I’d have thought.
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Exactly, Easy, and other than being concerned about the idiotic speed, that’s pretty much my view too but it’s not you starting the thread hence my phrasing in "…if it’s something of such a huge concern…". What you or I would do is largely irrelevant as we would not start the thread but not so the OP who does see it as worthy of starting the discussion and, thus, I feel needed to speak to the warden.
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Those wishing to discourage the practice could always saunter down the middle of the road on the assumption that the miscreants won't want to spend their holiday picking your entrails from their radiator grille.
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My experience has been that during the week, the vast majority of people DO adhere to the speed limit. However, come Friday afternoon, all hell breaks loose to the extent that I've seen units being towed over speed bumps at more like 20mph than 5.
Another thing that struck me - and I commented at the time - this summer we were staying at Carnon Downs AS site in Cornwall. The only speed bumps are around the Reception area and there's not a single speed limit sign anywhere on the site - but people seemed (I wasn't looking all the time) to stick to 5mph when driving around the site. Whether or not the gravelled roads, as opposed to tarmac, had anything to do with it, I don't know.
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I think that you will find that the vast majority of drivers do not obey the speed limits anywhere !not just campsites!!!!!!
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Except on the A75, eh? 😀
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Indeed...I was on the M26 recently doing a steady 90mph and some idiot overtook me - absolutely crazy 😉
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..."doing a steady 90"......
with your caravan?
i certainly see many caravans being towed close 70 on motorways.
on sites i just stick the MH in first and it trickles along nice and gently on tickover.
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Always amazes me how many people seem to fly past when in a '50mph average speed road work area', when I'm sticking between 50-53.
Do they know something I don't I wonder.
They can't all be stolen vehicles surely, although I was in Essex the last time I noticed this....
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Has anyone got any statistics for the number of members and their children who have been hurt whilst walking on sites?
Perhaps the speed limit has been set at 5mph, knowing that most will ignore it but ,nonetheless, it will have the effect of keeping site speeds down to a reasonably low level.
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Personally I do not drive below the speed limit on CC sites because I feel that a higher speed would be unsafe but because I feel that it more sociable to do so.
No idea of any injuries due to speeding on site. The two child deaths that I know of were not due to speeding
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OH fell over, tore jeans and badly cut leg at Edinburgh a few years ago, getting out of the way of a speeding MH. Unfortunately she was too busy falling to identify the miscreant, who just drove off. The wardens attended our van with their first aid kit, but I had already used ours. They recorded the incident in the accident book. I have no idea if these incidents are collated in any way.
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I'm not sure about the A74, TW
, I didn't spend too much time in DumfriesMY memories are more of the signs on the pre Motorway A75 where, heading into the Northern reaches, we used to look most keenly for the first road signs bearing the legend :--
Lorries obey the Speed Limits
There was always a competition to be the first to call out :--
Oh no they don't !!
Ah yes the days and memories of holidaying in ridge tents in Scotland
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As is usual until another child is injured or heaven forbid killed, the minority of drivers will continue to think that the speed limits onsite do not apply to them. I saw the blackboard idea, with obvious speeders 'named and shamed' by reg number and thought it a great idea.
Why ? Was the warden urged to discontinue it ?
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The club was probably afraid of being sued for offending somebody.
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It was not me !!!seethe Sun news this morning.....Van drama......(sorry unable to do the link thing).
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I am have been on Black Knowl this week and can confirm what the OP has said.
Tinwheeler said, "No doubt you discussed the issue with the wardens. Did they explain what, if any, measures they take to deal with those who break the speed limit and what steps they would like to see taken to prevent the problem?"
I had occasion to TW and the response was negative. That told me a lot. Sadly, I don't think the problem carries any weight to have HQ take some kind of action other than appropriate words.
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We were at Black Knowl last week and also noted some travelling through the site at excessive speed. People moan about kids, but geriatrics on electrically assisted bikes take the biscuit!
I actually got clipped by the tail end of a vintage Carlite just outside the gate as the elderly driver sped past and swerved.
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I just returned from Seacroft at Cromer. Here I witnessed what was undoubtedly the most grotesque example of speeding on a site that I ever saw. On arrival a car and caravan drove past my pitch at such a speed that he might just as well have been on the open road. He must have been getting close to 30 mph. Of course, the site was quiet and no children around but I can't see this is any excuse.
Interestingly, whilst walking back from the town one afternoon, the same car came past me, on the main coastal road, a 40 mph limit, at a speed that I broadly calculate would have been in the region of 60 mph.
Speeds are hard to judge accurately when only one's senses are available but you do get a feel for these things by comparison with other vehicles and it was completely clear the speed was very substantially over the limit.
Did I mention the on site speeding to the warden as some above not just recommend, but seem to think negates the complaint if you don't? NO I DIDN'T. The outcome is almost always a combination of empathy but inaction. The wardens know perfectly well, as do I, that challenging someone about any rule misfeasance is likely only to result in confrontation and unpleasantness - especially where the only evidence is another person's word. All it achieves is to make me feel embarrassed and awkward at having raised it and the warden embarrassed at knowing there's nothing much he can do about it.
It needs some formal sanction - some agreed methodology for recording speed and giving out warnings. But I don't think it can happen because everyone just wants a quiet life - and, frankly, I see that. Such an irresponsible way of behaving though is very depressing. I did note the perpetrator's registration but disclosing that would, of course, only get me into trouble.
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