Alarming problem
l have just spent a most enjoyable week at Bridlington site, site absolutely fabulous, we has members take pride in our club or at least l would like to think we do. Imagine how l felt when l found out that those travelling people (none paying tax and above the law you no who l mean) had managed to invade one of our elite sites. Yes this happened last week, it may have been for just a couple of days but it happened. l believe the site wardens had no chance of stopping them, if they confront them they would have turned aggressive. they calmly set up pitch without paying a bean, how those members felt who they pitched next to lord only knows. The police don't want to know their advice don't antagonise them.
Luckily after a couple of days, after they had done all their washing and had a shower they moved on to the golf course across the road who promptly called in a security firm. If l was one of those they parked next to l would have felt really threatened, as it was l wasn't aware until they left. if l had known they were on site l could not have left site, not with two electric bikes which l leave locked to the MH, l would have worried my self sick. l feel sorry for our wardens who have no help what so ever in these situations, what is the club doing about this issue as l believe its happening quiet regular and it will increase if not tackled.
One reason l joined the club was for the protection club sites offered, not so sure now. What are the members thoughts on this problem
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This is indeed alarming, but how did they invade and get in? I recall there are barrier in place, they should stop such occurrences? And do you know they didn't pay?
This is clearly wrong but posting on CT probably won't achieve much to stop it happening, have you written to head office?
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What they did, there's a car park to the right of the exit barrier, l believed they waited for someone to leave and gained access that way, or so l was informed, if the travellers want to gain access they will, what alarms me is that the police don't want to get involved their advise is to wait as they know the bailiffs turn up after a court order is obtained, not much comfort for us pitched next to them. Don't think a sign would stop these people
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I hope the club puts in some measures to stop this happening again.
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We go to a lovely commercial site at Kirby Stephen - because it's close to our dealers, so handy for warranty work / service etc.
In June, every year, they have to close for a week because they cannot selectively ban a certain category of 'caravanner' from attempting to stay there - so no one is allowed and consequently they lose income.
The fact that that week coincides with Appleby Horse Fair, I'm sure, is purely coincidental.
There was a time (in my former life) when the Support Group, turning up at 2 am with blues and two's going, got the message across.
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This has happened before. We were at the Blackpool club site for a week a couple of years ago and there were lots of travellers on site. They left a complete mess and even although they were pitched near the start of the site they insisted in driving around the whole site every time they returned as if to make people aware they were there. I did ask the warden about this and was informed there was nothing that could be done as they were members and paid the nightly fee (I'm not so sure) overall not a pleasant stay and we and others on site were very uncomfortable. We did plan on visiting Blackpool club site for a few nights this summer but on reading the reviews it seems the travellers were back and causing havoc so we opted for a little CL just up the road which was excellent and much cheaper. Overall we pay a fee to be a member of a club and the site fees aren't especially cheap so we should expect to have our holidays in peace without having to put up with the mess noise and intimidation that comes with those members of the travelling community who most of the time don't know how to behave in a reasonable manner and leave all their filth behind.
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Until the law is changed-nothing can be done. On the upside H you wasn’t aware of them being there until they’d gone which means they didn’t disturb the site👍🏻
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ISTR more than one new Prime Minister 'pledging' to make this sort of blatant trespass a criminal offense rather than a civil one requiring a court order, time and expense, usually wasted as the offenders move just before things get heavy...
unfortunately, the police dont have the resources (arent interested) in even house burglary unless someone is hurt, preferring to defer the responsibility to insurers....again at someone elses expense...so what interest would they have in a few unwanted visitors on a campsite?
makes you wonder who has it right....
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Since 1994, there has been the criminal offence - with a power of arrest without warrant - for 'Aggravated Trespass'. What's needed is the will to enforce it.
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We were very nearly stopped from camping on a site in the Czech Republic cos we had a UK registered van and MH. Apparently a week or so prior to our visit a dozen or so Irish registered vans were on site and trashed part of it and obviously bullied the staff and didn’t pay. In the end they had to call the Army in to clear the site. These people do the same both home and abroad
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Possibly not as easy as it seems. It would be necessary to prove a, b or c were met to get a conviction. If all they were doing was their washing and they were not stopping others comming on site by occupying booked pitches, this could prove difficult.
Whats needed is a more straightforward definition that doesn't require these levels of proof.
Offence of aggravated trespass.
(1)A person commits the offence of aggravated trespass if he trespasses on land (the open air) and, in relation to any lawful activity which persons are engaging in or are about to engage in on that or adjoining land [in the open air], does there anything which is intended by him to have the effect—
(a)of intimidating those persons or any of them so as to deter them or any of them from engaging in that activity,
(b)of obstructing that activity, or
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We have shared campsites overseas several times with Liverpool Irish extended families - groups of two dozen people with eight or ten outfits - obviously travelling folk with better Mecedes cars and Fendt caravans than anyone else, and all single axle caravans to avoid the common prohibition on twins over there. They were quiet, well behaved, kept themselves to themselves and caused no problems at all, but I can only imagine the excitement their presence would create on a Club site.
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I think the refusal of most to pay for their stay could be "aggravated trespass"
When on club sites as Members? they seem to pay cash for one or two nights to get a "feel?" of the area, will stay if it is "productive" and it costs around £500 per unit to get them off with a court warrant and Bailifs fees
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I do not know what you have experienced elsewhere JVB? The club cannot legally racially discriminate against any person entering the site in the correct manner (I have mentioned this before) but they can remove anyone who ignores or rejects the rules and regulations on site and this includes all of us.
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You really should offer your services as a ‘consultant’ JV, you are probably the most experienced & knowledgeable person in the U.K. today re Travelers. It seems to be a subject you get very excited about very regularly👍🏻
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I think it depends on each individual invasion/ visit. Having been on Club Site during a full on take over, that involved violence and intimidation, then it wasn’t nice, and very few chose to stay on. Police were frankly pathetic, and unhelpful, Club staff were wonderful, took care of the elderly chap who had been manhandled and threatened, and sorted out things for those who chose to move on. Away from Club Sites, we had Travellers invade our grazing fields, taking out fencing, stealing our hay, and the mess left was frankly nauseating.
But there are a Travellers who are legitimate members, who abide by what’s required, so they are not all bad.
Best method of dealing with those who are not nice? Farmers occasionally find slurrying the field usually gets them moving again.
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Once seen never forgotten ,when we had a major problem in this area (all the accessable now have trenches round them to "stop?" them ,but in their words they do not Trash where they are, it is others? and it seems you are a bit nieve in your knowledge of them
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That’s rather dismissive, Brue. Anecdotal it may be but several people have been interested enough to comment.
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The real world............🤣🤣🤣🤣
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