South of France
hi all
we are looking to travel to Frejus and then along to Perpignan staying in each area for a week, and as we have a month off from work in September we can take a week to get to get down there and a week to get back,
any ideas on this would be very helpful, times stop overs places to see etc
we like walking, beaches, old towns and caravaning
thanks
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I was going to say that, unless you 'go for it' on the tolls, it will take 17 hrs driving from Calais to Frejus....so....3 days at 6hrs.....4 days at 4+ hrs a day....so, taking a week, you can go steadily and explore a little.
similarly, coming home from Perpignan will take a similar time, leaving you just over two weeks to meander along the Côte d'Azure.....lovely.
but where to linger? plenty of lovely towns along the south coast easily visited by train...Beaulieu sur Mer, Monaco, Cap Ferrat, Cannes, Nice, although these are all to the east of Frejus.
coming westwards, St Maxine, St Tropez, Cavalaire sur Mer, Marseilles, Toulon etc and the whole of the Camargue are between you and Perpignan....
this part of the country is always 'busy' but you should have missed 'peak' by September.
i see you have a caravan and other can help with sites which are open then.....
enjoy.....enjoy....enjoy
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It will take you 2 and a half days to get to Frejus and the same returning from the Perpignan area with a day to travel between the two. These are the direct timings taking it steady, driving for about 6 hrs a day and without breaking your journey. Having 4 weeks to do your trip is plenty and would give you a reasonable time in each area. Going in Sep you will have no problem finding sites and I would just suggest you join ACSI to take advantage of their discounts. Not sure I would want to take a week to get back as at the end of Sep the weather could be changeable as you get North. So I would suggest you do your enroute stops on the way down as the weather should be good. I would be tempted to visit the Champagne area on the way down where the Vendange maybe taking place and then perhaps Gordes in inland Provence. Three nights in each area is needed to give you any chance to have a good look round. The message is be very flexible; there is no need to book - we went to Frejus last Sep and it was surprisingly quiet. Avignon and Aigues- Mortes are both worth a visit. From Perpignan there are lots of things to see and do and these were discussed in another post a couple of weeks ago. A lot of sites in France close mid Sep but nevertheless there are plenty which do not; you just need to bear this in mind.
You don't say which ferry you are taking. If Calais then we get an afternoon crossing and then stay near Calais and hit the road early next morning. The quickest way down is via Reims/Troyes staying well northeast of Paris and then the Autoroute (A6) this is sadly quite an expensive route toll wise. There is of course the non autoroute way but this would add at least a day to your trip and tempt your tolerance with the 80kph limit and proliferation of speed bumps! If you use the Caen crossing we get the afternoon crossing and stay at Riva Bella just outside port. Then heading direction Lyon Returning from Perpignan you can go either by Toulouse or Clermont Ferrand both routes have quite a lot of toll free kilometres.
You will receive lots of suggestions as to places which are worth a visit. Do not try to cram too much in; maybe just do to Provence and back with stops enroute this year - you will find that a month will not be enough - and then the west side another trip? We used to live in Languedoc and have also visited France many, many times over 40 years and yet there are still areas we have not visited. You have to make your decision! We are off to France at the end of Aug for 5 weeks but will (probably) stay on the west side. Who knowns.
(Post Edit. Just seen BBs post. His timings are I think a little optimistic for towing and I would stick with mine which are based on doing the trip many times. To echo BB - enjoy enjoy enjoy!)
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is not your 2.5 X 6 15 hrs? I actually suggested 17 so I didn't think I was being optimistic?
however, it is a fair bit of towing and not to be underestimated.
btw, I agree with the weather thing, to get the best take longer going south...
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Gaz, my advice would be not to try to cover the whole of the south coast of France in one trip. Go west of Avignon or go east of Avignon and concentrate on one area.
Although in early summer last year, we went in neither of those directions and spent all the time we had not far from Avignon itself - a lovely old city - and wandered around markets in St Remy de Provence, Menerbes, Gordes and Apt, nearly bought antiques in Isle sur la Sorgue, did a bit of bird watching in the Camargue and found remote beaches down there, did all the Roman history things in Nimes, Arles and the Pont du Gard, visited vineyards, bought wine, had lunch most days, took photos of lavender fields, and got very sandy in the ochre pits at Rousillon and Rustrel.
We like that area so much we just hit the motorways these days to get there soonest.
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What ET says is true for us as well but..
One year we flew to Nice, hired a car and wandered along to Bezieres staying in hotels. It was mid December but we enjoyed it so if you want to stick to the coast then the places we liked were Hyeres, La Ciotat, Cassis and even St.Tropez, which was a surprise. No hordes (apart from those dratted Motorhomers on the Quayside.), beautiful 20° December sun and a smashing Paella for lunch. Bezieres was ok but we preferred Narbonne but only because they had better Xmas decorations. This may not help you much but there are plenty of lovely old towns and beaches amongst that lot to satisfy your requirements.
Have a look at the recent thread in this section asking for suggestions of what to see in France. That should help with places to see en route plus others that haven't been mentioned in the South yet.
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BB. No wish to get into a long discussion about timings etc. Just trying to guide OP. France is a big country. Distance Calais to Beziers is 650 miles. I do 3 x 2 hr stints (not 2.5 x 6!!) and have, over many many trips, found that comfortably it is 2 and a bit days towing a caravan on the Rouen/A75 route. We like to stop mid afternoon to visit the village/town nearby and have a relaxing meal in the evening. If you want to do 3 x 3hr stints then yes 2 days is achievable. I even met one guy who would do it straight through towing Argeles to Calais! I once did it with one stop but that was exhausting and not repeated. Solo, I easily did the trip with one stop, or in emergency, straight through. Just, as a caravanner, who knows the route well, trying to give the OP some indication to help his planning. He will have a great trip whatever he does.
Wherenext, yes in Dec we would often have temps in Dec of 18 deg + but that was usually linked to vey cold nights; I got sunburnt on my folically challenged head on 6 Jan our first year living near St Chinian!!! Also, the coast just SE of Marseilles is lovely.
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Please don't think that I'm being abusive, but I have to say that your proposed plan - Frejus to Perpignan - doesn't seem to make sense. With capitalization, The South of France means Marseilles to Menton, the Cote d'Azur, the French Riviera et al. The rest, to the west, is south west France. Choose one or the other, I would suggest.
We prefer the Cote d'Azur and I'm typing this at Camping de La Baie at Cavalaire sur Mer where the weather is sunny and warm. With limited mobility, we can walk to the harbour, the promenade and beach, the high street or the Casino!
On the other hand, some folk prefer the south-west and areas such as the Camargue.
As has been suggested, visiting inland Provence and towns such as Remy en Provence may better suit your requirements apart from beaches.
p.s from here we can take a 3 € bus ride to St Tropez or St Maxime
p.p.s Why Frejus? Why Perpignan?
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C, I actually suggested the OP takes a week to get there, but it still takes around 17 hrs on the road however you split it up....
in fact we took five days to come up from Irun to Cherbourg this spring...
i definitely wasn't advocating racing there....my point was that 17 hours (or so) will take a few days driving if you 'go steadily'...
please don't think I'm disagreeing with you at all, I'm not...
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Except that for many people the South West of France is the area from Bordeaux south, and including the Atlantic Coast. It's one of those confusing descriptions, and so I prefer to call the coast (at least) the western end of the Mediterranean which explains exactly what you mean.
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Frejus has a Roman aqueduct and arena - and several bits of old Roman buildings have been incorporated into more modern buildings. Perpignan too has Roman origins - a feeding station on the Via Domitia - but was developed into a large town in the 10th century, so I think both fit the description of old towns. Both are near to some lovely beaches which run for miles in each direction, and again both are near to beautiful hills and valley for walking.
They are perfectly good places to choose for a touring holiday but obviously aren't everyone's first choice.2 -
fairly close to Perpignan are Argeles sur Mer and Collioure, one larger than the other but both worth a visit for different reasons....
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Just be aware that by September in the whole of the south west coastal area from Narbonne right round to the Pyranees you stand a good chance of being blown away by the Tramontine. We used to have an apartment at St Cyprian, and by September we spent a lot of time driving over to Spain to get away from the wind.
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Actually in St. Augylf, Frejus at present. On way here stayed 2 weeks in Pernes les Fontaines, south of Carpentras. Plenty to see from there. Mont Ventoux, Avignon, Pont du Gard, Orange etc. etc.
From Frejus, Cannes, St. Tropez, etc. Have a good think, and work out what you want from the trip!
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Just to show that Franco-American 'culture' is not confined to the south-west, this weekend in Cavalaire we've had a 'Motor Festival' which has involved Harley-Davisons, Shelby Cobras, and Ford Mustangs! This afternoon, Elvis was singing on the sound stage down at the harbour!!
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