5 MPH speed limit
Most club sites, probably all of them, have a 5mph speed limit. They are in place for good reasons all of them linked to the safety of everyone on site, especially those not in the vehicle. So, can someone tell me why so many people seem to take no notice and drive around sites at 10-15 mph? Is it simply that they hate staying in first gear (and going into second gear means a higher minimum speed)? Is that they must get to their pitch or the site exit 10 seconds before the rest of us? Or, is it simply ignorance or arrogance? EB
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Probably sheer inadvertence.
If you want to drive at 5 mph you will probably need to watch the speedo at all times and thereby run the risk of hitting a kiddie or two whilst obeying the required limit.
Far better to keep ones eyes on the road and the pitches alongside to prevent such an event.
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EB, if I could answer that question I’d be on Mastermind.
It's been discussed here again and again and……
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Arrived at Bridlington this afternoon. Site roads are in better condition than most of the A roads we towed along! And you can guess what happens ......So there are notices in all the toilet blocks now saying that CC TV has been installed to detect members speeding around the site roads - well done, I say!
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That’s a pretty way out comment, RF. Inadvertent, my foot!
Do you need to constantly watch the speedo to make sure you adhere to a speed limit? Do you drive at 30mph in town with your eyes glued to the speedo? Or does your experience take over to enable you to judge and hold your speed whether it be 5mph or 70mph with only an occasional glance at the speedo?
Far better to stick to the speed limit as well as keeping your eyes open.
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I don't need a speedo to tell me I'm doing 5mph, just, on that odd occasion, that tail gater behind trying to push me along! It's easy to keep to walking speed, 1st gear at tick over, all you need is a determination to keep all site users safe and secure.
Many is the time I've traveled at even slower speeds for several miles on our motorways without looking once at the speedo!!
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at Troutbeck Head the wardens said they were getting radar guns as well - I thought they were joking but apparently not
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Speeding threads pop up every now & then and I totally agree that the current 5mph limit must be policed by every means available to the site WARDENS with the help & consent of the club.
But it's also obvious to me that if the limit was double or triple 5mph there still would be members speeding ! WHY because they don't heed the signs , or verbal advice or they just don't care about their own safety or anyone else's.
The club must crack down on speeding & the speeders hard...... because no one wants anyone KILLED.
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Until site speeders are properly shamed into changing their behavior, they will carry on ignoring 5 mph signs. Until they run over a child or someone's dog. Then it will be the parents fault or the dog owners fault...never theirs. I thought the idea that a warden had of putting the obvious speeders Numberplate numbers on the site notice board was a very good one, as folk would know which pitch they were on. But evidently someone (presumably the speeder ?) complained to head office......personally i would have cancelled his membership.
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Although wardens do their best to enforce rules, they can’t be in all places and see all things. What seems to let the wardens down, though, is the apparent lack of backing from head office.
What I would like to see in the magazine every so often is that the club withdrew membership rights from X number of people for speeding on site and Y number for not controlling their dogs, and so on. I think that would bring the reality home to people who consistently breach the rules as it would be clear the club has teeth and is prepared to use them.
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We are at a C&CC site this week and there have been several occasions these last few days where I reckon cars have been driving far faster than the displayed 5mph limit. I think at least one person has been told to slow down There were also several small children on site too.
David
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Unless someone has a dash cam that records a GPS speed I doubt anyone knows what speed they are truely doing. I am not sure the vehicle speedo is particularly useful at slow speeds. I have just reviewed footage of my most recent Club site and my speed varied between 3mph and 9mph, I would imagine the average was around 5/6mph. The answer is to drive slowly.
David
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Exactly.
There does have to be a limit, but as you say vehicle speedometer's are not very accurate.
They are geared systems, with the circumference of the tyre as part of that expected ratio.
A new tyre has an approximate tread depth, the speedometer is calibrated to that circumference, a worn tyre less, the result being the more your drive tyre wears, your actual speed will be that much slower than recorded speed.
Speed cameras in some Police Force areas have an allowance of 10% plus 2mph, incidentally weight offences an allowance of upto 5%, before prosecution.
Having said all that, the human brain cannot process all the images our eyes send whilst driving, so a responsible caravan site, club or not, takes adequate measures.
I think speed guns a little OTT
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Even in second gear, at tickover, my MH creeps along at an indicated 8mph. First gear gives 4mph. Very useful in traffic jams. No feet required.
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I don't have to look at the speedo - my car doors auto-lock at 6 kph - if I hear the clunk of the locks, I know I'm about on the speed limit.
However, it's the Friday afternoon scramble that gets to me. We were at Wharfedale, last autumn and during the week - albeit it, it was fairly quiet, most people seemed to be sticking to the speed limit. Come Friday afternoon, all hell seemed to break out with some new arrivals travelling at nearer 20mph round the site - never mind 5mph.
Regardless of the safety issues, how some of those vans and their contents survived being dragged over the speed bumps at that speed is beyond me. Utter madness.
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However, it's the Friday afternoon scramble that gets to me. We were at Wharfedale, last autumn and during the week - albeit it, it was fairly quiet, most people seemed to be sticking to the speed limit. Come Friday afternoon, all hell seemed to break out with some new arrivals travelling at nearer 20mph round the site - never mind 5mph.
Regardless of the safety issues, how some of those vans and their contents survived being dragged over the speed bumps at that speed is beyond me. Utter madness.
Its the same at Clumber. Sometimes it happens on 2 or 3 circuits, so they clearly haven't missed seeing the speed bumps. They are obviously not bothered about the damage they are doing to the axle.
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I think that is a worthwhile point to make in regards to observation skills.
If a person/couple are looking at the merits of pitch A verses pitch B, concentration on driving will be greatly reduced.
I do prefer the commercial sites we use that have pitch booking online, I have one such holiday later in the year, certainly reduces vehicle movements on arrival.
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Five is just a number, but the bigger the number the more chance of hurting a pedestrian or child, especially the latter because children don't understand the dangers. As I mentioned earlier, my questions are largely rhetorical because there isn't an easy answer, however, if one person slows down and a child lives as a result of the 'ad nauseam' then it's worth it. Thank you all for your input.
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6 m.p.h.speeding on campsites is only a problem on this Club Together forum. If it troubles you then change forums and transfer your allegiance to Caravan Talk or UKCampsite where it doesn't arise and is never mentioned.
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Maybe Club Together folk care more about safety. 5mph is good👍🏻. There’s no such thing as too much safety.
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Surely each and every one of us knows the OP is absolutely correct in what he says so why there is a need to make derogatory comments, or attempt to drag the thread off topic, I really don’t know - unless it’s mischief making
It’s true that we’ve seen it all before but is it doing any harm to restate the salient points?
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Maybe you’d like to explain your relaxed attitude to the death of someone by calling it ‘perspective’. I’m with Even Better on every letter & syllable👍🏻
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and that number perhaps that proves how very effective the current 5mph limit is?
So you are saying just scrap the limit as there have been none or only a few accidents? Everyone else appear to grasp the idea that the higher the limit the greater the possibility of an accident, why make that possibly greater? What possible advantage is there in increasing the limit?
There has been no fires in my old building for years, so according to your logic lets get rid of all the safety equipment and regulations?
You do keep going on this limit being too low, why?
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