5 MPH speed limit
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That’s demonstrating rather a flippant attitude to a serious issue, DD.
As I said, we all know Even Better is right so why make light of it?
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Regardless of one's personal view of the effectiveness or otherwise of a 5mph limit, that is the current club rule (and is commonly used on many other sites). Surely when one joins (or re-joins
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The problem with exceeding the speed limit in any situation is not IF an accident has happened but when it Will happen and there are no figures for the "misses"that have occured , and as stated when anyone signs up to be a member whether years ago,new or rejoined then if they are to take the attitude of its not a regular problem then should they be a member at all ,as they have agreed to the 5mph on sites when joining,and it has not changed, for the the returners to question,
ps in the few years since joined i have in all the cars we have had not had a problem with useing tickover in first gear to look for a pitch ,or when going out or in a site when pitched ,on numerous occasions we have led a convoy on site roads
and on one occasion have been overtaken by some one towing another caravan looking for a "better" pitch before we saw it
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This isnt a flippant question at all.
Built up areas mostly have 20mph speed limits, reduced from 30 mph, the reason being the survivability on impact.
The powers at be, make these decisions based upon cold questions, the statement "If one life can be saved" that's the flippant one.
The real speed limit is that of reasonable for the conditions, perhaps a 5mph limit is too high near the playground in peak, but too low at off peak.
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Welcome back, W&M 😉
You're not seriously suggesting the speed limit should be variable are you? That’s a hoot as it would give people the very excuse they need to break the limit😆. “Whoops, sorry didn’t realise it was 5mph today as it was 10mph yesterday”. 😂😂😂
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Oh dear.
No, I was at pains to point out that 5mph could be considered too fast!
London has for many years altered roads to try and save cyclists lives, perhaps if the statement "One life can be saved" is sincere, then perhaps designing sites to separate motorists from pedestrians, more speed humps, auto barriers within the site, etc
A speed limit is generally a speed target
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welcome back +1 (always good to change one's mind)
Sorry brit you were indeed saying the speed limits should be variable:
5mph limit is too high near the playground in peak, but too low at off peak.
so one limit at peak, another off peak
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5 mph is very difficult for us as the car does 6 to 8 in first without any input from me, but I doubt that is the problem. The ones doing 15 plus do need to be dealt with and possibly the only answer is repeat offenders should lose the barrier key until they leave.
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I’m going to be a bit controversial. We visited the site at Dulverton last year. When we arrived, it was empty around the bottom end, and traveling at 5mph seemed a bit OTT, so I was probably doing between 8-9 mph. That said, once fully occupied, there are parts of the site where the road is narrower, 5mph is fully justified. Indeed, I probably only did 3-4 mph as there were children around. Of course, safety is paramount, but sometimes a bit of common sense won’t do any harm.
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This isnt advocating variable limits but showing why drivers may break that limit as the perceived hazard doesnt exist at that time.
As Freddy55 has just posted!
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Sorry but you failed miserably. As Corners pointed out, your words were indeed advocating a variable speed limit depending on peak/off peak times.
I see nothing wrong with the current limit as it is consistent across the site network with no room for confusion. As a professional driver, I’m sure you can see the sense in keeping it simple.👍🏻
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but sometimes a bit of common sense won’t do any harm.
until you hit someone then it will. Children usually have a habit of running out from when you can't see them.
The problem is using common sense is that it is different to all. Another person could claim 20mph is common sense?
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not what you wrote though Brit? Of course you might also get dazzled by a low sun so what appears as being hazard free isn't at all Shall we have variable limits for different times of the year too?
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yes I take your point
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perhaps if speed camera are installed then this might happen:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48198755
(Sorry to bring in an over there item
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🐦😂😂😂😂😂
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We were at the Clumber site recently and a car and caravan went passed at such speed that the caravan jumped over the speed bumps higher than I've seen since watching 'Caravanner of the Year'.
He was probably going home, just before midday, and whether he'd had issues packing away the awning, an argument with SWMBO or he just didn't fancy going home I don't know but his outfit was certainly moving fast.
How you can, in the real world, stop prats like that going so fast is probably impossible unless you have someone walking in front with a Red flag (as they did in my younger days). -- now that's a thought ......
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I always think it is 'strange' how some people towing approach and clear speed bumps. They really slow down but once the rear wheels of the car have cleared they somehow 'forget' about the caravan and start to speed up so that the van bounces quite significantly over them. The noise is horrible to hear (well for me anyway)
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Both tow cars and MH we have had have been big diseasel engines with automatic gearboxes. Put them in drive, on tickover 5mph with/out caravan attached.
We are not on a timetable when on a caravan site, we're on holiday. A fraction of a minute to get to a pitch on even the largest of sites isn't worth knocking over a child, a dog, or a fellow holiday maker by not sticking to the speed limit we have agreed to by entering the site.
Do wonder if the site speeders are the self same drivers we see 'racing to a stop' on the open road. The ones who go hurtling past you at breakneck speed when the traffic light ahead has just changed to amber, then red and they slam the anchors on in order not to ram the car in front, as you slowly approach the lights as they change from amber to green and you proceed without having applied your brakes or made sudden movements giving an uncomfortable ride for passengers.
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when we use sites as you describe, David, it's certainly feels a lot calmer (and safer) as there are no cars about 'cruising' (at 5mph?) for the best pitch.
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Another option the Club have if members cannot keep to the 5mph is to install more and higher/closer together speed bumps/sleeping policemen. We would then all be forced to slow down or risk substantial damage to cars or vans. I'm willing to bet all drivers would stay at 5mph when faced with the north face of the Eiger to negotiate!
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From memory.
In 2017 86% of cars 18,000 ish monitored at 9 sites, exceeded the speed limit of 20 mph. Goverment figures, so you could say it's of no surprise that 5 mph limit isnt adhered to.
There are a number of reasons, one being perceived hazard.
Show your speed devices have been proven to work in reducing motorist's speed.
These do cost, but so do any measures.
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not another over there (OT) post
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86% of cars 18,000 ish monitored at 9 sites, exceeded the speed limit of 20 mph.
I am dazzled by this bright use of statistics Darren, which nine sites was this monitoring done at? and which sites have a speed limit of 20mph?
How that translates to club sites I find interesting?
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Because it shows the attitude of a group of motorists, which then translates to sites because,
Caravans are towed by motorists
And
Motor homes are driven by motorists!
Night Night.
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in other words (as you didn't answer britdaz) these statistics are all made up?
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