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  • mickysf
    mickysf Forum Participant Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭
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    edited May 2019 #32

    But it's an outdated and misguided opinion common to a few in that 'lost' and diminishing generation. We live in enlightened times, thankfully!

  • JVB66
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    edited May 2019 #33

    If any one watched countryfile diaries at 0915 on tv this morning there was a real farmer who has found out just how wrong his father was with his attitude (like fisherman it seems )towards wildlife on his farm which he has reversed, and has improved production and stopped the need for numerous chemical aids by encouraging nature to help rather than the very old and wrong farming attitude of "controlling?" 

  • Pliers
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    edited May 2019 #35

    Fisherman, are you an arable farmer?

    If so, I'm sure you are well aware that there are many more effective ways of protecting your newly planted crop seeds than an having a bloke with a gun shooting at birds.

    And I'm not a city dweller, I live in a small, moorland edge village in Lancashire.

  • EasyT
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    edited May 2019 #36

    I think that Fisherman is entitled to his view without ridicule M

  • Fisherman
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    edited May 2019 #37

    Great-Rural affairs and nature dictated by smug, eco warriors, with their celebrity status attracting the arm chair, environmentalists. Almost like Brexit -  Glad for the welcome back. Nothing changes just the same old people with their blinkered views.

     

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited May 2019 #38

    Others are entitled to disagree too. As you have with M & LL👍🏻

  • EasyT
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    edited May 2019 #39

    I had not realised that entitlement automaically included a consent to belittle and ridicule a poster. I thought that required other circumstances. 

    I am grateful for this thread though as I was struggling yesterday to remember the collective name ..... 'corvid'

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2019 #40

    Sounds like the last death throes of the now hoodwinked few. Everything changes and the majority know this both locally and globally. Things are now well and truely focused on making those efforts to address the future for the next generations increasingly optimistic. The climate change deniers have well and truely had their day, tomorrow is for the rest, the majority!

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited May 2019 #41

    Corvid is the family name for crows, magpies etc. The collective noun is murder for crows👍🏻

  • moulesy
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    edited May 2019 #42

    You don't consider terms like "bunny hugger" a term of ridicule, Alan? undecided

    Yes, F, like everyone on both sides of the debate are entitled to their opinion, but if you give it out, expect to get it back! wink

  • Fisherman
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    edited May 2019 #43

    Its a shame that most people only know about rural affairs from watching canned TV programmes. A bit like East Enders portraying normal life. So called personalities get a following and are able to use their status to promote their own extreme views. Actual life is a lot more complex than their narrow one issue agenda. Never mind I'm off to put some food on your tables- have a nice day. By the way I said I would as a non member not discuss CLUB issues.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited May 2019 #44

    I don’t think so. You can check your farewell thread for yourself. 

  • JVB66
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    edited May 2019 #45

    When you and other out date  attitude"farmers"start to come in from the cold and start to drag your selves into modern ecological methods, then you will learn just how  much more you will gain from your chosen/inherited profession

  • EasyT
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    edited May 2019 #46

    Indeed, and the collective family name that I was struggling to remember

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited May 2019 #47

    You are most welcome, us country folk are brought up with the knowledge & respect of all creatures from an early age😊

  • EasyT
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    edited May 2019 #48

    No more than I do the describing of people as 'global warming deniars'. It is not aimed at a single individual but at a collective. 

    Personally I strongly dislike the term 'global warming deniers' as I think they are rare and that the term is levied at those who don't deny global warming but are sceptical of the extent to which, particularly within UK the effects are driven by the population. They probably think that those believing the actions of governments in bringing about any reversal is akin to King Canute sat on the shore commanding that the tide turn back

  • EasyT
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    edited May 2019 #49

    Nowt to do with lack of knowledge R ...... just a failing memory laughing

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2019 #50

    Not I, I lived all my life in rural North Lincolnshire amongst and in the thick of the primarily arable farming community. I can assure you that many, and I do mean many, associated with this industry are now enlightened, have adopted sympathetic practices and are more than willing to change and make that difference. A few, and I do mean a very few, hoodwink themselves, thankfully their voice is small and diminishing rapidly.

  • Oneputt
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    edited May 2019 #51

    How did we get from stopping Sand Martins nesting to shooting pigeons?  

    We used to eat pigeons in the 40/50s and a great supplement to our meagre diet they were. Have to say I would rather shoot and eat a few pigeons than put up with a lot of the garbage that is put on the table today.

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2019 #52

    Agreed. Same with rabbit. I'm not a radical or extremist and a bunny hugger I am not, in fact I still enjoy that rabbit stew just like my old granny used to make. Thing is I have to go abroad these days to find it on cafe menus.

    But I don't understand these 'defenders of rural ways' (forgive me I don't know what else to refer to them as).

    Take for example the plight of our Goshawks, some of our rarest breeding raptors. Despite the fact that most of their diet consists of crows, woodpigeons and rabbits, which are perceived as pests by some farmers and gamekeepers, illegal persecution and eradication of goshawks is not uncommon from within this community. They make no sense.

  • Oneputt
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    edited May 2019 #53

    As I’ve said before, until the landowner is put in the dock with the gamekeeper the persecution of raptors will continue.  I don’t believe that  gamekeepers are acting without the consent of the landowner/agent

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2019 #54

    I do agree  Oneput, but my question, well it's not a question really, is why do they continue with these cruel and pointless outdated practises?

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited May 2019 #55

    You are forgiven, they are not ‘defenders of rural ways’ they are ill conceived defenders of their profits. It is only the shooting community that kill raptors-rare or otherwise. Local news(East Yorkshire) has recently reported of the poisoning of Buzzards. These Buzzards have only recently been breeding here. Red Kites have also been seen-I fear for all wildlife that end up in the sights of the shooters☹️

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited May 2019 #56

    Peregrine Falcons breed each year in woods on the outskirts of Plymouth. They have successfully raised a lot of chicks but it’s a sad reflection on a few members of society that the nest has to be watched each year by volunteers. 

  • cyberyacht
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    edited May 2019 #57

    There seem to be too many bones in rabbit. Bit like a kipper but with fur.

  • Fisherman
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    edited May 2019 #58

    Before once again going out to look after my livestock the old saying " Don't criticise a farmer with your mouth full" comes to mind. Enjoy your breakfasts.

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2019 #59

    Just google 'Beyond Meat'. The world is changing fast and responding to the overwhelming scientific evidence out there!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48110704

  • EasyT
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    edited May 2019 #60

     

    But Beyond Meat is loss-making and does not know when it will report a profit.

    For its most recent financial results for 2018, Beyond Meat said losses hit $29.9m, slightly below the previous year but above a $25.1m loss in 2016.

    Not rushing to invest just yet. laughing

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2019 #61

    But that's the fascinating thing, people are big time, so much so it's breaking records on the New York Stock Exchange.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48141428