Unfair treatment of a caravanner
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sorry Rocky, I'll go to the naughty step
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indeed a pitch in time saves nine
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I'm not missing a point TW. I understand totally the problem of pitch preservation. What I do not understand is that if pitches are so bad that tractors are needed to site caravans and that there is no hard standings available to caravanners in such poor conditions that I have never been forewarned.
I, for one, did not say that it was favouritism to reserve pitches for motorhomes but I did say that such action favours motorhomes which it does.
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as a motor home usually only has just the four wheels versus a caravan and tow car's usual six, it does sink into soft ground more readily.
Many caravans have two wheels, and once occupied weigh over 2000kg. So they will sink more than a 2000kg road vehicle with its four wheels.
My tow vehicle weights 2700kg unladen (goodness knows what laden) which is more than some motor caravans. Seems odd that I get asked to park the caravan on hard standing and tow vehicle on grass.
What makes it all work so well is a sense of adventure ( and four-wheel-drive, and big knobbly tyres, and a winch, and waffle boards, and . . . )
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I absolutely agree Justus. But then those that have been on CT for some time will know this.
If I am booking a CAMC site, the first thing I do is to book a full serviced pitch, which not only gives me a HS but also saves me the bother of carrying water and waste. In fact, in future, I may well not even take my wastemaster with me if I know I'm not going to need it.
Other than that, I only book sites with all hard standings, I don't even consider booking a CAMC site that have even a vague likelihood of me being sited on a grass pitch so if it has one grass pitch that is in use, I would not book.
Out of season, I always ring the site before I book and confirm with the wardens that grass pitches are not in use, before I make the booking. During the conversation, I make it quite clear that should they need to change their mind and offer me a grass pitch, if they'd be kind enough to give me a ring to give me the opportunity to cancel, as it would be a waste of my time and theirs is only a grass pitch was available, as I would drive home again. I have never yet been told to use a grass pitch having rung up and confirmed all this before hand. Furthermore, I have never had a phone call back from a member of the site team.
Now, here's the thing. If everyone started to ring the site and start asking these sort of questions, my guess is that the site staff could very well be spending quite a time on the phone. If this constitutes any increase in workload, I wonder how long it would be before the Club decided it might be a good idea to allow folk to book hardstandings. .......
David
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Totally agree ET and as we now have a MH, presumably we would be one of the favoured ones. 😀 What should happen if grass is unsuitable is that sufficient folk should be cancelled, on a last booked first out basis, so that there are sufficient HS for all. If someone who should be cancelled hasn't updated there contact details, then they should be turned away on arrival, or perhaps offered the choice of a grass pitch.
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It’s also common sense, but hey, why let that get in the way of a story.😂
Wrecking of pitches by the way isn’t confined to motorhomes, we pulled two caravans out of the pit they had dug themselves into with our Jeep last year, while our little MH never even dinted the grass! The moral here is if venturing onto grass, do it with a decent four wheel drive, and learn how to drive that 4x4 properly. Oh, and walking the pitch chosen first is usually a good idea, to check for any soft spots.
For the eagle eyed who are wondering why we had our Jeep with us, as well as the MH............I was commuting.
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Wrong again TW, we had booked Super Pitch and so had the crew , who were not members on a Members only site.
The Issue I was on about was not being told that a film crew plus were filming in a small cul de sac of super pitches. I could have changed holiday plans if told before leaving home , or given up my paid for super pitch and moved to a less busy part of site, NOT.
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What is a super pitch? See below.
What has any of your story to do with the warden in Oxfordshire managing pitches to prevent ground damage by MHs?
"Wrong again" - I can hear how you enjoyed writing that.🤣🤣🤣
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The complainant on SwiftTalk was contacted by the warden and it was his choice to go there.
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I know. However if you have time to kill and re-read the thread you will find comments from me and others including DD who have encountered similar situations and not been forewarned.
I wonder if the chap on Swift Talk was given the full SP?
I know that Justus talked about the site in Oxfordshire using tractors and rubber mats. I wonder if that was mentioned
If you consider other posts irrelevant to what has become a more generalised topic that is up to you
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Yes, I have seen your comments and you seem to have been unlucky. I have been contacted in similar circumstances more than once but this is all about the guy on S/Talk who knew the circumstances and still chose to go but then decided to moan on another forum.
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As someone who has run multi activity booked sports pitches and courts, often involving hundreds of individuals who need to be contacted should any unforeseen circumstances arise, I can vouch for it not being easy to please and contact everyone. We were always grateful for the pro active visitors who got in touch with us.
The underlying issue around this thread is simply nothing more than the rather blinkered caravans v motorhomes, yet again. So boring. This member is very happy to let the onsite staff do what they are trained to do, get on with managing the site as safely, economically as they can for the benefit of the majority of visitors.
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+ 1 👍🏻
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It really is not rocket science and I too have had to contact members of the public at short notice.
I am more than happy to let the staff sort on site but I won't be happy if I drive 80 miles to a site to then be told the caravans are on grass and as the pitches are very soft we will tow you on! In that instance I DO expect to be forewarned rather than drive 80 miles to an unsuitable pitch rather than a similar distance to a suitable one.
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I must be very unlucky then!
This is not all about a guy on Swift Talk and never was. If you read the OP properly, although it mentions 'a guy on Swift Talk' the OP itself goes on and raises a question that extends beyond that individual.
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The only time we have been contacted by any cc staff site or HO was when a site had an unwelcome visit by the other type of tourer, ,otherwise it has never been required,
And that is in 50yrs and thousands of nights away on 99.5 club sites ,so it sounds as if a couple have been Very unlucking If problem as described have been encountered and one of the posts is very suspect
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and + 1 too
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He sure does as outlined by TDA at the start of her last paragraph and, yes, I did read it 'properly'.
The crux of the issue is pitch management by wardens although some erroneously believe it to be a MH v caravan issue.
I'm surprised you don't seem to see the importance of the wardens managing the pitches in that way, Easy.
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It is not that I don't see the importance of the Wardens Managing the site TW it is simply that, in my experience, the wardens have not seen the importance of managing information to customers.
I have not really read the posts on here as 'some erroneously believe it to be a MH v caravan issue.' I think that posters who have commented have, quite rightly, recognised that this form of pitch management favours motorhomes - not the same thing.
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I sense a contradiction there, Easy.
The pitch management favours the pitches and gives other folk coming along later a better chance of having a decent pitch. Surely, none of us are so short sighted as to think only of ourselves?
I guess you're never likely to see it the way the wardens and the club do. So be it.
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,iv'e just corrected it with the right number 