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  • Unknown
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    edited January 2019 #362
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  • goodchild
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    edited January 2019 #363

    Sorry HD I said your van, you drive a motorhome.

  • huskydog
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    edited January 2019 #364

    No change there then innocentsealed

  • huskydog
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    edited January 2019 #365

    I'm not putting you down ,but you seem to me not confident with narrow places to drive through and a towing course would increase your ability to judge the situation cool

  • InaD
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    edited January 2019 #366

    I wish you good luck for tomorrow; you deserve to win if only for all the tenacity you've shown!  You feel it's the right thing to do, as you believe the site is in the wrong, and you're sticking to your guns.  In that, I agree with you, as I firmly believe that you only regret the things you haven't done.  I'm not sure that I'd have described everything on an open forum such as this, but everyone is different.

    Let us know the outcome tomorrow, there are a lot of us interested wink

     

  • goodchild
    goodchild Forum Participant Posts: 152
    edited January 2019 #367

    Wow I rest my case fellow camper.

    My last reply for the night and I honestly thank everyone!!!!

    Towing course I DO not need tbh, again some alter ego, I passed a government test to show. (It is quite funny looking through what was said.)

    I shown though a test competence in the following:

    There are 6 parts to the driving test:

    an eyesight check
    ‘show me, tell me’ vehicle safety questions
    reversing your vehicle
    general driving ability
    independent driving
    uncoupling and recoupling the trailer
    You’ll drive for around 50 minutes.

    Eyesight check
    You’ll have to read a number plate from a distance of:

    20 metres for vehicles with a new-style number plate
    20.5 metres for vehicles with an old-style number plate

    ‘Show me, tell me’ questions
    You’ll be asked 5 vehicle safety questions known as the ‘show me, tell me’ questions. These test that you know how to carry out basic safety checks.

    Reversing your vehicle
    You’ll have to show that you can manoeuvre your car and trailer into a restricted space and stop at a certain point.

    The examiner will show you a diagram of where to reverse your vehicle.

    Your general driving ability
    You’ll drive in various road and traffic conditions, including motorways where possible.

    The examiner will give you directions that you should follow. 

    Pulling over at the side of the road
    You’ll be asked to pull over and pull away during your test, including:

    normal stops at the side of the road
    pulling out from behind a parked vehicle
    a hill start

    Independent driving
    You’ll have to drive for about 10 minutes by following either:

    traffic signs
    a series of verbal directions
    a combination of both

    Uncoupling and recoupling the trailer
    You’ll be asked to:

    uncouple your car from the trailer
    park the car alongside the trailer
    realign the car with the trailer and recouple them

    This test i passed doesnt make me perfect but coupled with 12 years experience I would like to say I was confident!

    Its all about being cautious and it boils down to a barrier that comes down, I wasnt aware of for whatever reasons, never advised of and well, the safety devices would have prevailed.

     

    Good night

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2019 #368

    Can I ask, Ian, as an aside just because I’m curious, how did you tow a caravan for 12 years before passing your B+E? Was it a little tiddler of a van?

  • goodchild
    goodchild Forum Participant Posts: 152
    edited January 2019 #369

    InaD, thankyou!.

    Open and transparent is the key, when you tell lies you will be caught out. They can use whatever ammunition they like, even if from an open forum.

    I can only be honest and hope.

     

    I will let you all know

  • goodchild
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    edited January 2019 #370

    Tinwheeler, I made a teardrop trailer, Pic attached in 2007, I sold that to buy a lunar chateau, right hand european door and 5 years ago I bought the bailey orion 530-6. 

    My vauxhall vectra and bailey orion was on the edge of my license, I past mt driving test late 2001 which did not include B+E. I/we wanted a newer vehicle and as the Jaguar XF was more weight than the vectra I had to pass my test to be legal and within the law.

  • compass362
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    edited January 2019 #371

    Good evening goodchild , I gave an opinion early in this thread on your plight & I'd just like to say never have I seen a debate on this forum  taken in a more friendly way certainty on your part  , with various views from so many posters it's actually been a pleasure to follow it .

    And may I sincerely wish you best of luck tomorrow  , I was hoping my nephew would call to see me so he could view your video & give his personal view / opinion  , he's a police officer of 15+ years standing & the last several as a traffic officer.

    I'm sure he could assure you that the lack of near side mirror  wouldn't be an issue , owing to the incident being on private property & therefore  being a civil matter between you & the site .

    cheers 👍

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2019 #372

    Thanks for satisfying my curiosity. The lack of B+E is certainly restricting but you’ve overcome that.

    The teardrop is quite something. Well done, you.👏🏻

    All the best for tomorrow.

  • goodchild
    goodchild Forum Participant Posts: 152
    edited January 2019 #373

    Twinwheeler, I always check my limits on a weighing scale from the teardrop to the Lunar and to the Bailey. I am cautious of how many tins of beans and tomatoes go into the van on the journey to Dover, She goes mad but I say we will buy them down there. hah

  • goodchild
    goodchild Forum Participant Posts: 152
    edited January 2019 #374

    Compass362, I have never been in a forum before and didnt know what to expect!.

    I came across it by chance as i wanted reassuring from people who would understand why I done what I done. Everyone has been helpful in some respect!. Many people I know have said ABC your in the right, why didnt the fella in the yellow top warn you and so on. I delved deeper and found out information the site didnt or have lied about want me to know.

     

    On your comment, i have had a traffic officer of a friend I know look at the cctv, as i mentioned previously, he said to me, you have the safety devices polished off in a word, Your point is why did that man in the high viz not tap on your car or shout when he seen what he did. 

     

    Thankyou for replying, I will be more than happy, win or lose that I followed What I believed.

     

     

  • captainslogg
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    edited January 2019 #375

    Good Luck Todaysmile

  • Surfer
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    edited January 2019 #376

    I have to disagree with you on that aspect as extended  mirrors are definitely not required on private property and I double checked that just in case I was wrong.  However just in case I am wrong, do you honestly think that they police will prosecute you for not having extended mirrors fitted while on gated private land to which only a limited section of the public have access.

    Either way whether we are right or wrong I hope that somehow the OP is successful with their case even though the odds may be stacked against them.

  • mickysf
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    edited January 2019 #377

    The police are clearly not the issue. The reasonable precautions and actions taken by yourself and the site owners will be in the eyes of not the police but in those you have requested to sit in judgement. Now where will they seek guidance? I guess the Highway Code and road law will be at the very least a starting point.

    I wish you the happiest of closures, Ian.👍

  • Surfer
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    edited January 2019 #378

    Highway code and road legislation would not apply to gated private land in this case, but lets see our the OP does in court.  He will be lucky to get a win, but hopefully from reading the various posts on this thread he will be able to counter arguments put forth by the organisation's solicitors.

  • goodchild
    goodchild Forum Participant Posts: 152
    edited January 2019 #379

    Well Gentlemen and women, it has all come to an end!

    It went really really good considering the odds were stacked against me. A few held out for me I read thanks

    Anyways, somewhat of a victory in the fact I didnt lose and I am receiving £62 from the defendants. She split the costs 50/50, i had to pay half theirs and like wise them mine.

    The judge was fair TBH.. I made the song and dance about the safety beams sensors and the fob, she took it on board. When I got the two witnesses to admit what the sensors were for, what they stop and detect.

    As i stated I made a telephone call to the company who installed the barriers she was going to take what myself and security manager as hear say. I did ask the fella from the company if he could put it into writing but he said no as it was a conflict of interests as they do work for the site still. If I had that info on a document it would have been sealed, stamped and sent.

    So I was really looking at parting with £1260 plus costs this morning going to the court, they reduced their counterclaim as they new I could prove the costings wrong.

    Just so everyone knows i do have two mirrors now! and I am £62 up.

     

    Thank you good people for discussing, giving guidance and having a good clean chin wag.

     

    Ian

  • EmilysDad
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    edited January 2019 #380

    A result then  😎

  • goodchild
    goodchild Forum Participant Posts: 152
    edited January 2019 #381

    It is Mollysmummy considering the state of mind i have been in off Huskydog and his mates sealed haha

    The only down side to it the judge was a woman, not that it matters but A, she didnt drive and B, never towed a caravan.

    Bit like employing a anorexia person to be a food taste tester haha

  • Surfer
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    edited January 2019 #382

    Good to know that you were partially successful however when you say the costs were split 50/50 does that mean they pay for 50% of the repair to the caravan and you pay 50% towards the barrier repair?

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2019 #383

    I have to say you've come out of it better than I expected but I’m assuming you still have to pay for your own repairs. Correct me if I’ve misunderstood.

    I'm glad to hear you’ve not been saddled with paying for the barrier repairs and, yes, it is a result but one that only you can say whether it was worthwhile. 

     

  • huskydog
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    edited January 2019 #384

    Well done , sometimes it does pay to be like a dog with a bonecool 

    p.s , I don't have any mates , it's just me laughing

  • Oneputt
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    edited January 2019 #385

    So are you saying your joint legal costs £124 or have I just not understood what split costs involved.

    Incidently there are more ‘ladies’ contributing to this thread than you realise and no I’m not one.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited January 2019 #386

    Apparently not so ET, not a pratt👍🏻. Good result GC, prepare to read the naysayers congrats😂😂

  • goodchild
    goodchild Forum Participant Posts: 152
    edited January 2019 #387

    In all honesty Tinwheeler I am a person of principal, I can and have known to continue and continue if I believe I am correct.

    Had I had the document stating risk assessment it would have certainly been a nail in the coffin for them as they had no risk assessment done.

     

    Yes I had to pay 50 towards theirs and they had to pay towards mine, so i came out ontop really, the van I will sort out.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2019 #388

    Presumably the lady knew nothing about barriers either so it could be said she was totally unbiased with no preconceived ideas of blame. Just as it should be.👍🏻

  • goodchild
    goodchild Forum Participant Posts: 152
    edited January 2019 #389

    Oneputt, no one had to pay for any legal costs, if i did I would have paid a lot of money out, they had two solicitor's and two witnesses to pay let alone putting the case together as they went hell for leather on the paperwork and so on.

  • goodchild
    goodchild Forum Participant Posts: 152
    edited January 2019 #390

    Very true Tinwheeler, never looked at it in that way

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2019 #391

    Read again. I said 'I would save my money on court action if your defense is that you could not see if there were cyclists on your nearside'. In other words advising Ian not to bring that aspect up.

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