Hyundai i800
Hello folks, just after the benefits of a little collective wisdom. Wondering what people think of an i800 as a tow vehicle? Specifically, whether or not it has enough power? Kerbweight of 2238kgs pulling a Coachman 580 (MIRO 1346kgs). Vehicle has 134bhp and 253Nm torque. We have three kids so I'm guessing a total of somewhere between 600-750kgs cargo (including bodyweight!).
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Thanks David but I think that previous thread refers to the 168bhp engine. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts about the newer, lower powered ones at 134bhp?
Thanks anyway though.
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cargo doesn't get added to the kerb weight of the vehicle but it's heavy enough to pull the caravan as well under the 85%. the user pay load of the average caravan is around the 160kg mark so add this to the miro gives mtplm of caravan. the plate near door will give the mtplm and if this is not enough you can usually upgrade which will give a little more.
Berth
5
MiRO
1400kg
Payload
165kg
MTPLM
1565kg
Interior length
5.75m
Shipping length
7.38m
Width
2.26m
Height
2.6m
Awning size
1015cmthis was taken from Practicl caravan review 2014. hope it helps
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Thanks Lornalou. I guess I've not explained myself very well. I'm wondering whether a 134BHP 253Nm engine would be decent enough to pull all the combined weights I've mentioned. So a 2238kgs vehicle pulling a 1346kg MIRO caravan with about 650kgs of cargo spread within vehicle and caravan. My maths tells me 4234kgs.
Anybody any thoughts?
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My maths tells me 4234kgs.
With that sort of total weight I personally would want the 160BHP. However I would not choose that option because I would wish to have a vehicle capable of towing more than a 1500kg limit.
My priorities may well be different as I have a 2005 136BHP X-Trail with 1,725 kerbweight pulling a 1,500 mptlm caravan and a train weigh of about 3,500 kgs and would not wish an additional 700kgs train weight on that size BHP. The reason my priorities may be different is that my tow car is principally used when away in the caravan that being over 85% of its usage. If I was working and the car was used without the caravan mainly and if I needed the space I might consider the auto. In truth however I would more likely look at a different people carrier
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It is a 8 seater and the third row of seats do not fold down so unless you need all those seats a Santa Fe, 7 seats and where the third row folds down and allows more boot space when needed (or Tucson) might be a better and cheaper option?
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I think that the I800 being RWD would be a reasonable towcar, they are very spacious. A friend of mine has one and racks up the miles fully loaded solo. The only real issue has been corrosion to the heater pipes that run to the rear of the car, replaced under warranty.
This may be an alternative with more power, 4wd but one seat less.
http://www.ssangyonggb.co.uk/new/ssangyong/turismo/4x4
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Autocar review
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Thanks everyone. I currently have a Galaxy which does an admirable job, however we have recently got a dog and so would now need to use one of the third row seats (can't expect somebody to sit with a dog on their knee all the way to France!). So that really cuts down on boot space. Couple that with the fact that my wife does not appear to understand the Oxford English Dictionary definition of the phrase 'travelling light' and you can see my dilemma......
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we had an Alhambra and before our Sorrento and now the third row on the Sorento fold completely flat and gives you a very large space in the boot which you could add a tough plastic liner for your dog, unless you want your dog to actually sit on the seats?
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We used to have a sorento and even with the third row down we struggled for space.problem is that the dog crate in the boot cuts down boot space even further for other stuff. I think I've settled on the idea of the 168bhp auto i800. Thanks everyone.
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Thanks for replying. It does look a good car and it's got the 5 year warranty. Our old Getz which is now 11 year old with over 120,000 miles is now second daughter's car
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Good little car the Getz. OH's was over 12 years old and still going strong when we swapped for an i20 as she wanted four doors and aircon.
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yes indeed, only two faults and both 'internal' one was the lights stalk failed with the lights stuck on full beam or off (we were popular) and the other was the fan rheostat. Both covered under warranty
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I looked at these not long ago and all research says it makes a really good tug. One note of caution though I wanted an auto and the auto has much reduced towing weight. Auto is quotes as max towing weight as 1500kg, the manual is 2300kg which indicates that the auto is not a strong box. The manual makes a great tug. Given the weight the performance will be steady but certainly should be up to the job.
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Hello again folks. I’m still pondering on my dilemma. As I’ve previously said i’ve Kind of settled on the idea of the auto. My one concern is as already stated the lower towing limit of 1500kg. I’ve been rummaging around the forums and read somewhere that when calculating how much you are towing you should discount the nose weight. The advice being that the noseweight should instead be considered as weight in the vehicle. So in my case, I reckon that my van will (including payload) weigh about 1450kgs (as much will be going in the vehicle as possible). So if I have a noseweight of 90kg then in effect the vehicle is pulling 1360kgs. Does this sound correct? And if so, do you consider that well enough inside the towing limit not too cause too much issue with the auto box?
As before, all wise counsel gratefully received.
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If your van is less than the 1500 as you say then you should have no issues. The manufacturers will have validated reliability to that weight.
I don't think you are allowed to deduct the nosewheel weight, regardless of the nosewheel weight the mass of the van is the mass. The mass of the towed van includes the three weights added together i.e. the two wheels and the nosewheel. If it came to a warranty claim then I am fairly certain the MPTLM figure on the van vin plate would prevail as that is the mass you could have pulled.
I only ruled it out as my van is way over the 1500kg.
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The ssangyong turismo maybe worth a shot, another korean.
http://www.ssangyonggb.co.uk/new/ssangyong/turismo/4x4
2.7 t towing on the Mercedes auto box and 4wd with low range.
Possibly not quite so much space but bigger than galaxy
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I had the early i800 5 speed manual (170ps) towing a Pegasus 646 6 kids, dog, mrs and me. To put it politely it was very very good as a tow car. Only gripe I had with it was the lack of a rear wash/wiper as seeing through the van in wet weather was difficult . I changed it after five years for the newer 6 speed but lower powered ( 136ps engine) i800 , the difference was very noticeable towing, plan ahead going up steep hills etc it managed ok. Just not quick off the mark and seemed to tow best at an indicated 65mph. solo I didn't feel safe overtaking on single carriage ways ( change down a gear and floor it produced noise and almost some acceleration ,change down two gears just gave even more noise and very little acceleration. ) I am now on my third i800 which on paper is the same power but it realy drives much better and has more performance .I haven't had chance to tow with it yet as I ve only just run it in but at the end of the month I will be doing a 600mile round trip towing.I hope this helps. Chris
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I have an i800 auto 170bhp that I have just purchased 2016 model. We own a 2016 sprite Quattro with an MTPLM of around 1610.
We bought the car based on the club's towcar match but it has become apparent that the auto has a towing limit of 1500kg against 2300kg on the manual. The stats on the club's towcar match are incorrect for this vehicle.
Anyway... my question is that the caravan seems to be no more than 100kg past the towing limit of the car. Am I still able to pull the van ok? The kerbweight ratio is find and I know that you can tow over 85% however the towing limit is different.
I would be interested if anyone can answer this for me and highlight any implications of towing a van that is slightly over the towing limit.
Thanks in advance!
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anyone???
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Have you cross checked your Max Train weight on the V5.
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The max towing weight and the GTW are legal maximums. It's up to you if you break the law but remember you’d be invalidating your insurance as well so please don't be on the road when I am.
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Hello yes I did get the 168bhp auto in the end (in fact we're away in it just now). It tows with no problem. Added bonus - when travelling the extra space means you don't feel like you've got all your kit on top of you. Certainly for me that makes the journey just feel more relaxed.
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I read a comprehensive document from a bloke in the trailers etc industry (so he presumably has some knowledge) in which he said that when it comes to the law and towing limits its the ACTUAL weight you are towing and NOT the plated weight of the towed vehicle that counts. So by his argument, as long as you kept the payload on your caravan really low then the actual weight of your van could still be below 1500kgs and this keep you lawful.
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Hi all, we towed the caravan the 600 mile round trip. The new i800 tows the Pegasus really well even with all our bodies and kit. The manual gearbox is well set for heavy loads and is quite flexible, the power really comes in just over 1500 revs and pulls strongly. I would recommend this model for towing. I hope this helps.
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