BP gaslight 10kg cylinders
HI Can anyone tell me if 10 kg BP gaslight cylinders wil fit in a bailey autograph 79-4 motorhome gas locker
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Just checked the spec and it say two x 6kgs Calor. https://www.baileyofbristol.co.uk/motorhomes/autograph/autograph-79-4 There is a Bailey Motorhome Owners Group on Facebook and might be worth joining and asking there. I can get one in my Approach 740 SE but the design has changed a lot since then.
David
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the Bailey locker on the leftt, my own model on the right....which takes two 11/13kg bottles.
whilst the principle is similar, by making the opening of the locker slightly smaller than the actual locker, it makes it just that bit tighter and more awkward to get the bottles in.
with just a slight modification, the Bailey locker could take two large bottles...
i had the same issue with the Bolero...locker door smaller than the locker itself which made 'easing' the bottles in, anything but.....
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Same with my Majestic. Because the hatch is set horizontally, you can only get one 10Kg bottle in as you have to turn it sideways to get it in. A bit of forethought in the design stage was clearly lacking.
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CY, I know what you mean....it one of my 'design' hobby horses....
nice deep locker say 20" high and a locker door only 15" high
on my 2nd Bolero, I'm glad to say the rear underbed hatch was quite a bit deeper than the earlier models....but even then, there was a 'partition' in the way...and a bed support....
by moving them a little to the left, out of the way, the accessible storage was significantly increased...
obviously not something that can easily be changed on a locker as in the above picture...
as you say, a bit of 'actual user testing' would surely make it apparent that just a small change would make a big difference.....or possibly not
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provided there's enough height, a MH gas locker only needs to be 12cm (under 5") wider to allow the fitting of (say) 2 x 13kg in lieu of 2 X 7kg ones, effectively doubling the capacity...
so why do so many (generally UK) converters not allow for this....?
im guessing that 11/13kg bottles are far more common on the continent than here?
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The larger size 13kg cylinders have never as far as i have seen are not popular in the UK, possibly because of weight issues or more likely the use of EHU here, where continental LVs have not until quite recently started to have duel fuel heating//hot water
We only have one 6kg lite that has been on for coming up for two years and we normally have meals in the c/van
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I agree about the (non) use of the larger Calors, and mentioned it in my post above..but they are used much more in refillable installations as, for one thing, a large bottle costs very little more than a small one, yet gives twice the capacity..
my point was that we were looking at a MH locker and, with the rise in MH ownership, comes more flexibility for non EHU touring, especially abroad on aires etc, where owners would appreciate the extra gas and have a better payload than most caravans to accommodate it....
not everyone sits, plugged in, on a cc site...but perhaps some converters think that's what their MH should be used for...?
the difference in making the locker 'just big enough' against 'not quite big enough' is often tiny, but the result is quite significant....
some converters have started fitting underslung refillable tanks to reflect the changing trends as above....save space, allow for refills anywhere.. but some are happy to continue making it not quite as easy...
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Not sure that is correct. I have one of the original Bailey Approach models and my gas locker can take a 13kgs Calor (or 10kgs BP) plus a 6kgs Calor. So they used to make the lockers big enough. I suspect it might be more to do with weight. Bailey seem to be unable to keep the weight of their Autograph range down, especially to achieve the magic 3500kgs limit. Many of the new Autograph models are rated at higher than 3500kgs. As gas and cylinders seem to be included in the MRO having large gas cylinders is going to impact on the MTPLM. One way to lessen the impact is to make the locker smaller? Just a thought.
David
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surely, the MTPLM is what it is, a maximum weight, irrespective of what the MIRO is.....
agreed, a higher MIRO means less 'payload' but, as with manufacturers who allow for a full tank of water, you don't have to fill it.
similarly, a large gas locker, with space for two large bottles will cause the MIRO to rise, but one doesn't have to carry two bottles...
the good thing about a large water tank, or indeed a large gas locker, is that it can be made full use of IF the owner chooses.
a tiny gas locker or indeed warer tank, might do perceived wonders for MIRO but could turn out to be annoyances, right pains or even limiting factors depending on your point of view.
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IF looking around the majority of sites the "caravan"ethos is very much alive with motor caravan owners,with location of conurbations and public transport being a big selling point with sites, just note the ratio of either type of LVs on sites with both being close
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...because you see plenty of MHs (or caravans for that matter) on club sites, it doesn't mean they exclusively use club sites, or even sites, full stop....
many MHers (or even caravanners) might tour off grid (THS sites are very popular) here or abroad, where renewing gas supply can be a little more tricky, and would therefore appreciate the ability to carry larger quantities of gas.
assuming all vans sit on CC sites and plug in doesn't bode well for flexible site-independent travel..and the level of services required to do this as easily as possible...
as I said, small gas lockers can, ultimately, be limiting factors in confident travel away from the 'haven' of EHU sites.
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Not and maintain a realistic nose weight they aren't.
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Our 2012 Swift Challenger will accept 2 x 10 kg BP gaslight bottles, although we find one to be ample. It is necessary to tilt it sideways to fit it through the front locker door, but not a problem.
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