Motorhomes and the white peg rule

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  • EasyT
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    edited October 2018 #122

    I'm not sure if they measure the distance between the vans though 

    Presumably they don't. I expect though as the car parks thin out the motorhomes are unlikely to be parked tight together. I have no problem with such arrangements as long as they don't have an adverse effect on me. 

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2018 #123

    Look what has happened at several storage sites when uninhabited vans with Aire spacing catch fireundecided

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  • EasyT
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    edited October 2018 #125

    Out in the sticks their is not likely to be problems. Obviously in village areas or near to communities a pub making a big income from the holiday makers staying overnight is likely to be reported to the LA

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2018 #126

    see above postcool

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2018 #127

    Which is where some want to overnight  (near towns/villages)surprised

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  • EasyT
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    edited October 2018 #129

    Try using Google to find out. There are reports of 5 incidents UK leading to deaths in caravans due to fire on the first page of a Google search for 2016. Those are only where a death occured. Give it a try. I found it sobbering

    For every caravan fire and associated death do you not think that the spread of fire, possible loss of life etc might not be greater if caravans were permitted to be shoe horned in? 

  • Phishing
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    edited October 2018 #130

    Well no not really because only the CC stick to the rules, they have the array of coloured pegs and gaps fastidiously maintained by the hall monitors. Everybody else ( 95% plus of the market) has a free will approach with the opportunity for blatant violation of this rule. By your logic there should be devastation requiring professionals to clear up the aftermath, a bit like air crash investigation.

    Or

    Possibly the rules, the measuring, the monitoring are all a bit silly. I just ask where I need to place the van when booking in. They just say along the LH edge (example) and without pegs, measuring, or monitoring I am miraculously still alive. 

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  • EasyT
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    edited October 2018 #132

    If that is what you believe that is entirely up to you

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2018 #133

    Which is it? Does 95% of the market just 'pack 'em in'? Not what I have observed.: Or do they ask that you park on the left of the pitch? 

  • Phishing
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    edited October 2018 #134

    The statistics are available from the Home Office. 

    'FIRE STATISTICS TABLE 0302: Primary fires1, fatalities2 and non-fatal casualties in road vehicles by motive4 and vehicle type, England'

    This lists give a breakdown of every fire related fatality and injury due to fire. Caravan fires are contained in the 'other vehicles', which include:

    'Other road vehicle includes: Bicycle, Caravan on tow, Caravan unspecified, Minibus, Motor Home, Multiple vehicles, Other, Tanker, Towing caravan elsewhere and Trailers.' where, 'Fire-related fatalities are those that would not have otherwise occurred had there not been a fire'.

    If you pick a time frame by year(s) you can analyse the data.

    As you can see from this report, fire related fatalities in caravans are infinitesimally small. This is the HO figures not mine, be comforted that the hobby seems to be safer than flying with respect to fire related deaths.

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2018 #135

    Unless you can show me otherwise I doubt that this will provide detail of caravan fires on campsites

  • Phishing
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    edited October 2018 #136

    The report is available on line, just look up the reference, it is a government publication, not made up, its real and available for all to read. 

    They document details every fire related incident in the UK, for every location (in a series of reports). It is not dependant on where the vehicle was, it is for ALL fires in the types of locations listed.

    There is one for dwellings as well but caravans, trailers, and motorhomes are in the vehicle category, see definitions below. 

    As posted:

    'Other road vehicle includes: Bicycle, Caravan on tow, Caravan unspecified, Minibus, Motor Home, Multiple vehicles, Other, Tanker, Towing caravan elsewhere and Trailers.' where, 'Fire-related fatalities are those that would not have otherwise occurred had there not been a fire'.

    Which bit of the above definition do you doubt. I thought 'Caravan on tow, Caravan unspecified, Motor Home, Towing caravan elsewhere and Trailers.' pretty much nailed it.

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2018 #137

    as far as I can see this is related to highway locations only

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2018 #138

    The report is in relation to as ET says highways not in other areas,

    ps ,the c&cc have the same 6mtr fire safety gap

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2018 #139

    The ccc also have the 6mtr fire gap

  • Phishing
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    edited October 2018 #140

    The report is for all incidents, page 1 clearly states ' (a) any fire that occurred in a (non-derelict) building, vehicle or outdoor structure,(b) any fire involving fatalities, casualties or rescues,(c) any fire attended by five or more pumping appliances.

    Location is not referenced at all, the reports record any fire attended by the fire brigade analysed by category. Caravans are in the motor vehicle category, which is logical.  

    The description the section is 'Caravan on tow, Caravan unspecified, Motor Home, Towing caravan elsewhere and Trailers. 

    So to clarify:

    Caravan on tow, Caravan unspecified, Towing caravan elsewhere

    So if you care to read the government statistics of fires in caravans from the home office report for Caravan on tow, Caravan unspecified, Motor Home, Towing caravan elsewhere, and Trailers, (regardless of where they are) then you will see that these incidents are very, very, very, rare.

     

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2018 #141

    The statistics shown are for Non-dwelling fires attended. Not relevant I believe. It would be interesting to have the right data

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  • young thomas
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    edited October 2018 #143

    ...ah yes, the Pike(y) connection...

    do you set crosswordsundecided

  • SteveL
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    edited October 2018 #144

    That will be an interesting case if there is ever a serious incident, that resulted in a prosecution.

    Clearly the occupants of the vehicle would be in breach of the regulations by sleeping in the vehicle. However, the local authority would find it very difficult to argue they didn't know it was going on, and were turning a blind eye. I am not sure anyone would believe they thought MH's were parking overnight so the could stay in the local hotels.🤔

  • rayjsj
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    edited October 2018 #145

    We all know the reasons for the Rules regarding pitching on CMC sites, and accept them as part of the Membership of the Club. 

    We prefer CMC sites compared to most privately  run sites, thats why we joined. We have tried many here in the UK and on the Continent over the last 40 years or so, with Tents,Caravans and now a Motorhome.

    Luckily here in the UK we have CLs and CSs,, which provide a step between Aires and fullblown sites, arent we lucky? Long may they prosper. 

  • eurortraveller
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    edited October 2018 #146

    Anyone been Glastonbury?  

  • rayjsj
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    edited October 2018 #147

    Ha Ha,   no thanks,  rather have route canal work. My idea of hell on Earth.......and usually Mud instead of white pegs. 

  • eurortraveller
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    edited October 2018 #148

    Not my scene either, but that sort of campsite is legal, above board and signed off by the local authority year after year so the regulations are not so strict after all. 

  • brue
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    edited October 2018 #149

    Glastonbury van pitches are 8m x 7m, if you look at the details under the photo you have copied. smile

  • young thomas
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    edited October 2018 #150

    a caravan at 2.3m + an awning at 2m + a car at 2m incl room to open doors + barrels 1m = 7.3m

    i doubt there's any free space between pitches side to side so, even at 8m wide, units are going to be 'adjacent'....much like any other 'aire' but one designed to take more kit.

    ok, if no awning or just a MH, spacing might be a bit more 'spacious' but  those pictured centre-front must be within touching distance of neighbours.

  • Rufs
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    edited October 2018 #151

    we can resolve most of the issues in this post re distances, number of fires etc....hands up all those who have been on any caravan /mh site and witnessed first hand a carvan go up in flames, only been caravaning for some 20 odd years, but never seen it, 1 tent yes, never a caravan or mh. Recently spent 2 months on a site in Spain where hitches were touching and we could talk to the person next door through the window, well provided you could speak Dutch or German. I did make sure my fire extinguisher was close to hand and water hose conected to tap smile, and i should say this particular site had plastic netting over all the pitches acting as sunshade, imagine what would happen if that took hold and started falling on top of vans etc, all for HS, but sometimes you have to live life in the fast lane.