It's official...we are crazy for campervans
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I just don't see why the CAMC would want to do it. We are looking at getting a MH and as far as I can see they provide very nicely for my needs already, especially as they seem to have speeded up putting in the grids.
The spacing, whatever arguments folk put up is very unlikely to be reduced, therefore there is no chance of increasing the number of pitches. Why would the club want to set aside a number of pitches at a reduced rate, when they can get the full amount, particularly at popular times.
I am not against Aire type facilities. If we take our van to France we might use them for an overnight stop. These are often provided by the local community as a way of bringing folk in to spend money. A totally different concept to them being provided by the CAMC.
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That's an excellent post, Steve, particularly the last paragraph. There must be many, many MH/camper vans owners out there who feel the same way and are entirely happy using club sites judging from the numbers we see when we are on site.
Clearly not all MH/camper van owners want small quick turn around pitches, as witness this picture which just arrived with the club's email telling me which local sites had availability!
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It is not to get a few pounds off!!! It is about the choice of pitch, like many would like a HS pitch others don't, some want EHU others do not, some want showers/toilet blocks others do not, its about choice and catering for the modern world we live in.
I have never read such Tom Walls in recent times. Of course it is about money. If the same CC pitch was available at half price I doubt that you would say 'No, it is too big for me snd I simply refuse to plug into EHU'. The other one has bells on it.
22 (ish) years ago when CC started to include EHU in with pitch cost I did not have mains on the caravan. Rather than whine about it as many mainstream sites were doing the same I fitted mains. This year I have used commercial sites, CC and C&CC sites and all were with toilets, showers etc. I made little use of them but paid for them simply because it came with the pitch. I could have sought sites without them. You are at liberty to do the same.
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"I have never read such Tom Walls in recent times"
ill have to ask Corners or Tinny (as they are the experts in these matters) whether the above is rude, offensive or both..
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Tut, tut. Are you talking about other posters there, BB?😄😄😄
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I think I am judge as to weather its about money or not but I can assure you it is not. However as a certain supermercado says every little helps and by not having EHU and a smaller pitch then I guess the cost can be reduced as a by product but the main thing is choice.
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no, I've nothing to hide, I'm talking about you.....and Corners.
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I noticed. No holds barred if we want to talk about you in future then. 🤣
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On the economy pitches there is no infrastructure for electric. If choosing not to use electric on a pitch with EHU provided I see no reason why the reduction should include infrastructure rather than just the expected reduction in electric usage.
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Metering, problem solved
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indeed in the third person, but notice that is easier than answering ET's post?
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According to the same information on many Local Authority Websites
The Model Standards State:
“Density and Space Between Caravans
Subject to the following variations, the minimum spacing distance between caravans made
of aluminium or other materials with similar fire performance properties should be not less
than 5 metres between units, 3.5 metres at the corners. For those with a plywood or similar
skin it should be not less than 6 metres. Where there is a mixture of holiday caravans of
aluminium and plywood, the separation distance should be 6 metres; and where there is a
mixture of permanent residential homes and holiday caravans, the separation distance
should again be 6 metres. The point of measurement for porches, awnings etc are the
exterior cladding of the caravan.
Porches may protrude 1m into the 5 metres and should be of the open type.
Where awnings are used, the distance between any part of the awning and an adjoining
caravan should not be less than 3 metres. They should not be of the type that incorporates
sleeping accommodation and they should not face each other or touch.
Eaves, drainpipes and bay windows may extend into the 5 metre space provided the total
distance between the extremities of 2 adjacent units is not less than 4.5 metres.
Where there are ramps for the disabled, verandas and stairs extending from the unit, there
should be 3.5m clear space between them (4.5m if mixture of caravans) and such items
should not face each other in any space. If they are enclosed, they may need to be
considered as part of the unit and, as such, should not intrude into the 5m (or 6m) space. ...”0 -
Well fire can happen to the best of us and hopefully you'll never have to prove that?
but you're missing the point, in a public place, school, work, site... it's not about you it's about what others could do to you, and more importantly the responsibility of the owners, manages... have towards keeping 'you' safe. When I was working the headteacher was ultimately responsible for H&S, anything went wrong it was his head on the block, mangers/owners have been prosecuted for failings in H&S even though it was not them that directly caused them.
Likewise the club would be liable, imagine the club did not follow current fire safety guidelines as issued by the fire services and local authorities and a fire caused damage or even worse? You may think that the 6m 'rule' is silly but then you won't have to answer if things go wrong.
I am pretty sure if it was you who would be facing a court appearance and possible conviction you would suddenly be in favor of following the 6m rules?
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I really cannot believe that people are arguing with rules that ensure safety just to get pitches cheaper.
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I don't disagree wth the 6 metre re ,but why do some think that caravans And motorhomefun are going to burst in to flames ? ,we live in a terrace house there's more chance of them having a fire ,but no one says that we need a 6metre gap
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I think you may be right ET but at least if they look at it and come back with their results and conclusions.
It would only be a small part of the site anyway and maybe not at all sites but the "honeypots" could maybe be looked as a trial (if they did agree) which would increase the amount of pitches and the availability. If they were time limited to 1 night/Day/24 hours it would give more people a chance to visit and by MH using these pitches it would free up conventional pitches for MH that do not want to use the new type of pitch and caravans or longer stayer MH?
But like you I do not believe in Fairies either.
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so you are saying that these smaller pitches would cost the same as other pitches?
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bricks maybe? Also they don't burst into flames, most fires start with a small flame or build up of heat. Again private houses do not have or follow the same fire safety rules that you would have to follow if you were a landlord.
btw is there more chance of house fires than car/MH fires? For the same number?
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It is all to do with the materials fire ratings. About 7 years ago I installed a base for a new oil tank and checked out the regulations, both on line and with the LA (after I pointed out that their information was out of date and led them to the latest standard).
There is a relatively small gap required from a brick built building compared to a boundary etc. I cannot remember the full details. I guess that the tank is about 1.5m from the house but cannot recollect the minimum from a brick wall, (maybe a metre?). From a boundary I think that it might have been 3m (or more?). I used a thin fireproof cladding on the soffit of the bungalow and the facia in that area. Behind the tank and against the boundary fence I installed a prefabricated barrier with 2 hour fire resistance.
In the case of domestic oil storage it is not to protect the building from the oil tank but to protect the oil tank from adjacent fire. The oil tank is not seem as a primary ignition source.
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