Are UK roads good enough?

billbob
billbob Forum Participant Posts: 2
edited September 2018 in Caravans #1

Are UK roads to blame or are caravans just not built strong enough?

First the dealer's service engineer found that both the Bailey Madrid wheel arches had been smashed out by the wheels when the caravan went for it's 2 year service. I must admit we hadn't noticed the damp under the fridge. Both were replaced under warranty and the dealer seemed to think it was pretty normal on a 2 year old caravan. Neither Bailey nor the dealer would guarantee that it wouldn't happen again. so it had to go.

Enter a new Swift Conqueror 530. Almost straight away things started to fall off. Screws out of cupboard doors, towel rails, shower head etc. central heating system leaking antifreeze into the wardrobe. Now after 18 months one of the interior bulkheads has started to crack.. The dealer has assured me that it can be replaced, but what stops the next one breaking? The dealer said "I would like to say I've  never seen that before; but that wouldn't be true". And then started looking at all the other bulkheads.

Are other members experiencing similar problems with new caravans?

I should add that we only have 6 or 7 trips a year out in our caravans and most are only about one hour from home. And there are only 2 of us using a 4 birth caravan so it's never overloaded

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  • mickysf
    mickysf Forum Participant Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭
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    edited September 2018 #2

    Yes, roads here are not good in Broken Britain but are they really the primary cause of your issues? Not sure how damp can be attributed to condition of roads. We've had several vans over the years of various other makes and never had any of the described problems!

  • billbob
    billbob Forum Participant Posts: 2
    edited September 2018 #3

    Hi mickysf. The water got in because the tyres had smashed out the plastic wheel arch liners; the spray from the tyres on the wet roads then came up inside the caravan . Both sides actually, but the fridge side was worse. And no I am not convinced that the roads are the primary cause of the problems. I think it is about build quality and caravans simply are not "fit for purpose". We all know the roads are all lumps and bumps and pot holes. It cannot have escaped the notice of the manufacturers, well not if they drive to work.

    Regards

    Billbob

  • Mitsi Fendt
    Mitsi Fendt Forum Participant Posts: 484
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    edited September 2018 #4

    Agree with Bill Bob. My German caravan is 15 years old and has never had this type of problem. Used a lot more than bill Bob's caravan.

  • Wherenext
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    edited September 2018 #5

    Having not long returned from touring Germany I can confirm that the roads in the UK stink in comparison.Plus the build quality of the caravans is getting worse. There are more and more anecdotal tales of poor workmanship than there used to be.

    I know that there are avenues of reporting them such as forums etc. but just talking to other members on sites you get the impression that 'vans have been made lighter and as a consequence quality is diminishing. If you put the 2 together, poor roads  and poor build quality then you are going to get more disappointed caravanners.

  • Sandgroper
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    edited September 2018 #6

    Hi, 

    Most road faults are down to poor maintenance. Sadly to politicians, of any colour, think that so long as the roads are flat and black nobody will notice if maintenance is cut back.

    Another area of bumpiness arose  in the eighties when Statutory Undertakers were privatised. They were then made solely responsible for reinstatement after their work in the highway. Prior to that they only did a temporary reinstatement, the final reinstatement being carried out by the Council after settlement had taken place. To make things easier for the Water, Electricity, etc firms the tolerances applied to Council reinstatements were 'modified' to a much poorer standard.

    Hence bumps and humps!!!

  • Dave L S
    Dave L S Forum Participant Posts: 105
    edited September 2018 #7

    I didn't realise just how bad our roads are, until I bought a motorhome 😮

    A bit like riding inside a caravan I guess.

    I do remember towing a caravan on the Isle of Wight, and they were some of the worst roads, I had ever encountered. 

  • Kennine
    Kennine Forum Participant Posts: 3,472
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    edited September 2018 #8

    No they are not.. The UK roads were neither designed or built properly.  Highways Engineering in the UK falls sadly behind that which is found on the Continent, even in relatively poorer countries. Those countries where the range in winter and summer temperatures is much greater than those in the UK.  It would greatly help in UK road building and Road repairing, if UK Highways Engineers were given training courses by their opposite numbers in the Continent. 

     

  • Randomcamper
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    edited September 2018 #9

    Would you send them to Italy for bridge building lessons then K...?

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2018 #10

    One of the major problems with UK roads is the ammount of traffic for the size of country and the situation has not been helped by the increase in HGV weights in recent years as many of our centuries old roads are now carrying far more than can have ever been invisidged even when the M1 was biult

  • cyberyacht
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    edited September 2018 #11

    I can remember see-sawing up and down the 'tramlines' on the M6 forty years ago.

  • redface
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    edited September 2018 #12

    Let's face it - the UK authorities never rebuild roads to a modern standard they would rather try and patch Victorian ones hoping that we will then be quiet for the next 5 yrs or so.

    Seriously  - when was the last time that your local/county council rebuilt a road down to be base level of hard-core which is where a lot of today's faults spring from?

    They merely take off the top two inches and relay a surface without correcting any underlying faults.

  • Tony196
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    edited October 2018 #13

    I found the microwave shelf in our caravan had come loose on our summer break. I had to remove the microwave before traveling home as I just could face it breaking loose and crashing down through the cupboard underneath.

    I found that some of the frame had split where it was screwed together, I put this down to pothole damage. The frame is now suitably reinforced and the microwave stayed in place on the last outing to Sutton on Sea, the roads to this site are very bouncy.

    Note to all, please check any heavy items mounted at height are secure.

  • Oneputt
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    edited October 2018 #14

    The waste pipes under my 3 month old van fell off in the Czech Republic.  Limited mileage in the U.K. (less than 200 miles) and approx 1500miles in Holland, Germany, Austria and Czech.  Draw your own conclusion.

     

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  • cyberyacht
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    edited October 2018 #16

    Given the events of a two days ago, perhaps the installation of 'No Entry' signs on motorways slip roads would be advisable.

  • Oneputt
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    edited October 2018 #17

    As a small trading nation with a massive amount of traffic we aren't doing too bad.  smile

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  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2018 #21

    A little under 13.5%. . . .Much?😂😂

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2018 #22

    Thats 10% over what should be paid if split 27 times (eu countries)

  • dmiller555
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    edited October 2018 #23

    I do so love a good sense of humour. laughing

  • dmiller555
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    edited October 2018 #24

    We toured in Wales earlier this year and found most of the roads to be very good. Obviously a lot of money available there for road repairing. 

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2018 #25

    Who reads road signs these days,if club sites are the normsurprised 

  • young thomas
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    edited October 2018 #26

    our High Street has a 150m section that was nicely surfaced a few years ago....

    within six months it had been dug up by just about all the 'service' companies known to man.

    we have patches, on patches, on patches....

    there are will over a hundred repairs in this section alone....

    how do I know?.....I cycle it regularly and it's a bloody disgrace 

    we have a 'link' road into town quite close to use which, again, has been patched up very many times....

    the little orange spray lines (to mark the patches that are going to be repaired) have been there for many, many months.....in the meantime the roads continues to crumble, the patches disintegrate and the little orange lines get worn away.....

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2018 #27

    In the 'old days' the statutory undertakers would do the repairs and a temporary reinstatement, often using 'cut back' bitumen macadam on the wearing course with the final reinstatement carried out by local highway authority paid by the undertakers to reinstate. No longer the case I believe

  • cyberyacht
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    edited October 2018 #28

    Isn't it about time that we started thinking about putting services somewhere other than underneath the road?

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2018 #29

    They do where possible CY. just too many services to do that in many existing areas

  • brue
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    edited October 2018 #30

    No, just think of America and all those awful overhead cables...if we'd thought ahead a bit we could have had good underground systems but it's all done ad hoc now.

    This week our electricity is off for a whole day so that some cabling for a nearby new building works can go ahead safely. The second time this has happened although generators that kept us all awake last time were brought in. We have never experienced this before anywhere and we're wondering just how bad the infrastructure is that this is happening. Not to mention closed roads for over a month! It's not the roads so much as the antiquated systems they are adding to, we're just waiting for the sewage pipes to go kaput as no-one has updated these to cope with the new development.

    By the way, if anyone is travelling in the SW from the A303 via Cartgate to the A37 Dorchester road it's closed for the next three weeks due to "improvements".....yell

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2018 #31

    I never set the rules or amounts JV, I just researched them. It bothers me not one jot👍🏻😊