The Planet in Peril

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  • Amesford
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    edited October 2018 #92

    We have even managed to surround the earth with rubbish its now so bad they are sending up nets to bring some of it down for fear of satelites being wiped out ! how are we going to cope no communication undecided like wise  some of your WI Fi extends and plasma tvs at home  are polluting the air waves 

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2018 #93

    I take it the 195 countries add up to in excess of 3.721 billion people(7.442 billion people on planet Earth-2016).

    PS-do every single one of the 195 countries agree with you JC😊.

    my apologies as I’ll not be back for a while(real life calls☹️). Thankyou for your excellent input👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻😊

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2018 #94

     I am sorry that holding an opposite view to yourself precludes your giving an explanation but I understand.

    Btw I have never been warned by a mod, and I think your posts have also been Deleted User in the past?

    PS you know using Wiki is not really on in academic research?

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2018 #95

    certifiably on some levels?smile

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2018 #96

    add me to your list R2B

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2018 #97

    and +1

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2018 #98

    A lot of posters claim to have strong views on global warming but do very little themselves to address it? Surely if your views are so strong, then stop towing or motor homing? Get a bike? I see little of this on this thread just a lot of 'pontification' if I may say so, only Brue has shown a way forward. If you really believe the planet is in peril then do something about it yourself, then others may follow?

    the Op asked what individuals are doing:

    What changes to our leisure pursuits and lives do folk think will make that difference for our future generations?

    Not the club, but you. Can anyone else answer that rather than a lot of viewpoints that it is happening?

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2018 #99

    Me - I recycle my rubbish and drive lower emission vehicles than in the past. 

    Is that my choice because I believe all the bumf that’s out there, or is it because I have little or no choice but to follow that course?

    Hmm, while it’s common sense not to fill every dip in the landscape with rubbish or to pollute the air we breath more than we have to, it’s very much a case of I do it because I have to and not because I believe all the hype. 

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2018 #100

    I'm doing my bit as well TW. Now I have retired I do many fewer miles not driving to and from work and travelling all over Cheshire on works business.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited October 2018 #101

    This is an interesting article, especially if you think that the underlying cause of the Earth's problems are primarily around population.

    https://www.science.org.au/curious/earth-environment/population-environment

     

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2018 #102

    Yes, that's it, the standard method for club and its members to do something positive, retire and do less miles. I feel so much better now.

    I'll go further personally, I'll stop using the car to take the cassette to the emptying point.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2018 #103

    well Zefram Cochrane will along soonsmile

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2018 #104

    I’d forgotten that, Easy. No longer do I commute daily or hare around the SW and into Wales on a regular basis. Good point👍🏻

    Mind you, sometimes I’d let the highly polluting diesel train take the strain.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2018 #105

    Well, I’ve certainly done my bit in helping to reduce population growth.smile

  • Hedgehurst
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    edited October 2018 #106

    Taking your question at face value, about changes we make to our present lives...

    Practical measures, among others, include: solar panels on the roof, so helping cut generation emissions;  driving less; sourcing food more locally when possible (less "air miles"), also eating more organic food so cutting reliance on industrial farm fertilisers, often oil-based, which only make ground reliant on ever more use of them, reduce its ability to sink carbon, and create huge environmental problems in both production and use; cutting the amount of meat eaten; keeping old machinery like computers running longer rather than tipping them, so saving resources as well as landfill; little things like switching off unnecessary lights, not idling car engine' trying to find lower energy ways of running our household, and more.
    Leisure - rarely using air travel for a start. Cycling holidays - sadly not practical in our case for health reasons. Only towing a small caravan with low drag while using a relatively economical car to do so, driving "conservatively" without being a drag on the road behind.

    In general - reading research and trying to evaluate what's just bunk, what's scientifically rigorous, and what's got industry behind it trying to skew the truth and spin the statistics. Not trusting what some newspapers are keen to tell us.

    There's lots more - others are welcome to add, but these are some of the ones we find to be workable. I'd love to have things like ground effect central heating but we'd need lots more capital (and also more land) for that to work.

    I hope this helps.

  • Boff
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    edited October 2018 #107

    “Taking your question at face value”

    That’s probably a mistake wink

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited October 2018 #108

    And me. Haven't flown since mid 1980's (bar 20 minutes in a helicopter from Scillies!money-mouth)  we don't rush to replace our cars every three of four years, don't leave the tap running when teeth brushing, and recycle and reuse as much as we can. 

    So, my years to come are going to be spent doing exactly what I want, where I want, how I want. Mainly in a 4 litre petrol Jeep, a 2.8 diesel Jeep, a diesel Motorhome and a classic MG. with the odd plane, train and boat thrown in.

    My carbon footprint as a none reproductive member of the species will still be in credit.laughing 

  • Extugger
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    edited October 2018 #109

    I'm slightly annoyed and irritated that I made major changes to 'help the planet' some years back. I was driving a beautiful 3.0 ltr Toyota Camry V6 Auto (petrol) saloon which towed my caravan a treat. On the advice of a certain government I changed it for a diesel- you all know where this is going. Sadly, I cannot purchase a similar model to my previous Toyota, but am looking at their luxury brand and a hybrid. It seems to be the only alternative available to me and my needs, at present.

    Along with solar panels, recycling, litter picking and reducing plastic usage, I feel I'm 'doing my bit' as much as possible and it's great to hear others' comments. Clearly some are really passionate about our planet.

     

  • Hedgehurst
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    edited October 2018 #110

    It's a risk I'm taking wink

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2018 #111

    I am humbled in the face of such an eco-warriorsmile But to really go for it give up towing, you'll double your mpg

    I recycle and..... err well that's it actually. 

    Now where's that awning heater I put away last winter?

  • Oneputt
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    edited October 2018 #112

    Would I have invested in solar panels if there hadn’t been a tax free Fit payment as an incentive, probably not.  Do we recycle and compost, yes it has no cost for us. Do we have a hybrid or electric vehicle, no because by and large they are too expensive and don’t fulfil my requirements for a tug.  A selfish mercenary view, perhaps.  

    I’m pretty sure that in the time left to me I will continue to spend my leisure time pretty much the same as we do now.  

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2018 #113

    +1

  • Hedgehurst
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    edited October 2018 #114

    Well, recycling's a good start smile

    Agreed, giving up towing would improve the mpg. Unhooked, the car averages 50-low 60's mpg. With caravan, the average so far is 40mpg. The 'van being only 2m tall in towing mode cuts drag usefully. But it's still burning the fuel, yes - hence my original hope that more would be done to encourage cleaner vehicles.

    Giving up - we've only had it two years, after health issues stopped us using tents in our 60's, and other than the initial cost, it's cheaper to use than either self-catering rents or other accommodation, so is the source of most of our holidays now.

    In its defence, at nearly 20 years old it's sort of recycling in itself - no new industrial products... and even po-faced eco-warriors need some breaks!

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2018 #115

    I have to say that I am (seriously) impressed with your passion and sincere beliefs. Doing whatever people want to do is fine and some good suggestions have been made here (even if I won't bother thanks) and it's your money to with as you please, But my point is (in relation to your closed thread) that the club is not here to lobby for your beliefs and passion, I'd rather it does what I pay it to do, provide good sites and services.

  • Hedgehurst
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    edited October 2018 #116

    Thanks for this, Corners, and we'll hopefully agree to differ amicably here.

    I can quite see the club doesn't want to get involved in politics as such, and that it would be dangerous for it to do so.

    I'd see the CAMC's role of providing good services for members as including encouraging suppliers to provide decent equipment for the future - it already offers all sorts of improved gadgets, runs articles about them, and presumably accepts payment for advertising such stuff. I noted the one about new batteries in the most recent magazine - good.

    This is where we'll differ.  I'm seeing taking what steps we can to hold back the speed of climate change as necessary. For one thing I want to improve the chances of our grandchildren, and those following, to have a decent place to live. Like most people, I'm still tied into the infrastructure our society has built. So I'd see appropriate development of the equipment we'll be using for caravanning and M-H-ing  as part of the role of the club.
    Others still don't see the climate change and our part in it as something we need to take seriously, so would see my view as political.

    But it's been a useful airing of views and information, and thanks to Mickysf for not objecting to this diversion on your thread smile

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2018 #117

    Indeed we can HHsmile

  • Extugger
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    edited October 2018 #118

    What changes to our leisure pursuits and lives do folk think will make that difference for our future generations?

    Interesting to read people's views and comments on this subject and even the smallest change can make a big difference: eg I x plastic straw x 7 billion people; 1 x coffee cup x 7 billion etc etc

    Whatever your views are on global warming, I was reminded on a recent trip to Iceland by the residents whose fears for their grandchildren are real, with the current rate of glacial melt. 

    It will be interesting to see at the NEC show how the leisure vehicle suppliers are investing in change, end of life recycling, alternative fuels, lowering emissions, carbon footprints, rather than just manufacturing 'lighter' vehicles.

  • Hedgehurst
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    edited October 2018 #119

    Interesting indeed! And slightly ironic entertaining that your comment appears on my screen next to an advert with C&MC logo on, pushing a Volvo D5 powered car; but there is hope: http://www.climateaction.org/news/volvo-to-stop-making-new-diesel-cars  (May 15 this year)

    While they claim there that diesel's "not more dirty, just more complicated", it'll be very good if they do stick to their plan.

    It was also interesting to hear no less than one of Shell's top executives saying explicitly that the era of oil-based fuels is passing, that they need to recognise this, and that's why they're currently getting much more into ways of supplying  electricity and other power sources. (BBC Radio4 interview earlier this week.) That is encouraging.

    ... but I'd bet they'll all sell all they can of the old technology first  ... and I can't help wondering how much the club makes on pages like this https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/membership/member-offers/volvo/

  • Extugger
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    edited October 2018 #120

    I take my hat off to the Scandinavians and their forward thinking. A German car manufacturer however, has just announced it's going to produce a diesel hybrid! No doubt it'll be 'better for the planet' and travel 10,000 miles on one tank 😉

  • cyberyacht
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    edited October 2018 #121

    The news item at lunchtime about the recommencement of fracking drew with it a comment by the presenter drawing attention to the withdrawal of Solar subsidies, reduction in electric vehicle subsidies and freezing of fuel duty and comparing such moves with the fanfare about carbon neutral by 2050. Talk about confused.com. I'm unlikely to be around to see the result although given the preservatives in our food, perhaps I will be.