The Planet in Peril
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We've personally taken other steps in our daily lives, yes, but that isn't the concern of this discussion
I think you might still thinking this is the other (closed) thread you started? this one is,from the OP:
What changes to our leisure pursuits and lives do folk think will make that difference for our future generations?
you see the difference?
so all you have done is try and get the club involved? Not taken any shorter trips (in terms of distance or time) to change your habits? Or even stopped towing? Is it a case of do as I say but not as I do?
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Not just fossil records, but sections of deposits in the land go back far enough to tell us about the cataclysm that wiped out the dinosaurs. Ice samples too, provide a compellingly believable records of events over a long period. Dr Keeling, out of personal curiosity, started taking atmospheric samples in the 1960’s, from his observatory on a Pacific mountain top. When combined with more recent samples initiated due to global warming fears, we have a record stretching back over half a century. That profile of increased CO2 shows a perfect match with industrial growth and temperature change, ice core samples correlate that increase, going back to the beginning of the industrial revolution. Other investigations support the relevance of that match. We can clearly see a contemporary rate of change in global temperatures which is way above that shown by rock, ice and fossil records. Our current situation is uniquely different to historical planetary temperature fluctuations. The luckless Chinese are cited as the villains of pollution, though their per capita emissions are similar to our own and their government is taking huge steps to manage it down. North America is by far and away the worst per capita polluter. Industrial and aviation pollution is hugely greater than anything generated through domestic and tow car use, though that’s no reason to stop trying to reduce it further. Global warming, brought about by atmospheric pollution is a very real problem. Even photographs of the earth, taken during the early days of space exploration, show very much clearer image of our planet, worsening over the decades. Several people have posted about about heavy pollution during the middle of the last century. This was a local effect, London, California etc, caused by atmospheric temperature inversions, which trapped pollutants causing smog etc. It’s quite different to today’s global problems.
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Yup, it’s a +1 on that for me👍🏻😊
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I'm not sure what you hope to gain by this diversion to the thread, Corners. Personal attacks on my current lifestyle, which is unknown to you, seem both unhelpful and irrelevant to the OP's post, which is about future generations. Or maybe you know more about reincarnation than you let on....
Meanwhile, jennyc, all strength to you for your brilliantly clear post.
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It happens, JV, but don’t worry about it.
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Hi everyone, Can I please remind everyone of the community guidelines and to keep the discussion friendly and on track, otherwise we may need to temporarily suspend accounts to review as per my discussion the other day. Please keep the conversation constructive and refrain from arguments. Many thanks.
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I received an Email from P&O touting their cruises. It contained the usual photogenic couple with the Briksdal Glacier as a backdrop. I was there nine years ago and I can't believe how much it has receded in that time. Very scary.
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Since Victorian times, we’ve been trying to make a North West passage between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. A North East passage was unthinkable. Now the Russians are operating cruises between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, around Siberia. How? Because global warming has melted enough ice.
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It wasn’t that long ago that the darling of the climatistas was ‘global cooling’ it was vaunted that the Thames would host ‘frost fairs’ & the sea would partially freeze over. That was soon dropped for the catchier title of-‘global warming’, frost fairs eh?, now where have I heard that before🤔🙄🙄
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I’m sure Human action was to blame back in 1683🙄🙄
The Frost Fair in 1683 / 84
During the Great Winter of 1683 / 84, where even the seas of southern Britain were frozen solid for up to two miles from shore, the most famous frost fair was held: The Blanket Fair.
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A review of this brief period in history reveals far fewer supporters than we have for global warming theory today, a shortage of accurate data and a science in its infancy. Not so much a ‘darling’, more a possibility, subsequently dismissed.
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indeed, if the melting ice in places is reavealing more fossils then at one time they had to be no ice there? ? Also there were times when there was little or no ice at the poles.
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it is the reasons why that matter though, not that it is happening. It happened before, why then? why now?
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but if global warming happened before (and it most definitely did as the retreat of the glaciers formed the lake district) what caused it then?
nor sure what magnetic poles have to do with it? There are others?
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Many put forward variations in the earths orbit about the sun and an increase in solar radiation as the primary cause. Minor fluctuations such as the little ice age can also be related to solar changes, possibly combined with volcanic activity.
There seems to be little doubt however, that the increase in greenhouse gases are accelerating climatic change above what could be expected. It is important to remember that although global temperatures are increasing, this could potentially result in a dramatic decrease in U.K. winter temperatures, as a result of changes in sea currents.
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If the gulf stream turns off we will most certainly notice the difference. We are on the same latitude as Newfoundland, Hudsons Bay and the Kamchatka peninsular. Just imagine if were have their winters. I'm off to look for some more thick socks.
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Far fewer supporters?, of course, I expect sniffy climatistas to not support anything that may cut off the ‘research bounty’, besides how can they possibly believe what has ‘happened’ to what has ‘not yet but may happen. . . .they think. . . .possibly’😊😊. The truth is it is conjecture, I’m of the ‘prove it beyond doubt & im on board’ mindset. We are none of us wrong or right, we just have our own opinions👍🏻😊
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You don’t believe it fine. But then present some evidence rather than just opinions? Of course your contention is that you can’t because, proper research is being stiffled by the mighty green lobby which stifles the feeble efforts and resources of industries such a big oil to establish the truth is frankly laughable.
Lets imagine that we act on the reports and change our life styles and do reduce carbon emissions. What are the consequences of doing that and being wrong and it turns out to be unnecessary, compared to doing nothing and the majority (97%) being correct? It’s a simple risk/reward equation.
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I’m not a researcher👍🏻. I’m someone with an opinion, the fact it is opposed to others is neither here nor there, it’s my opinion. I need not justify it as I’m entitled to it. Some may disagree, I respect that but it sways me not one jot from my opinion. As soon as I see good solid evidence that is not countered then I may just be convinced👍🏻😊
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Rocky, following years of effort to test theories with further evidence, global warming conclusions are widely accepted by the majority of scientists.
Global warming is a very big subject to study but everyone has to start somewhere. You might find it interesting to build your understanding of the reasons behind today’s thinking by searching ‘keeling curve’ which opens the door to pretty well all current reasoning and it’s verification.
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No you clearly aren’t a researcher Rocky, and of course it’s your right to hold an opinion, to express it too.
But informed discussion is both valuable and interesting for many. Anyone who believes that the earth is flat, is unlikely to engage the intellects of people who employ reasoning to achieve their beliefs. Unsupported guesswork may be employed by lots of people, but it’s statistically unlikely to win any race for successful conclusions. Global warming has the potential for some very serious and damaging consequences, so in my opinion it deserves a little more consideration than guesswork. Quite a few people agree with me, across the planet. In fact the majority do.
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Majority?, I take it you too have empirical evidence of this majority you are in👍🏻😊. I am happy to hold my opinion based on my thoughts & my conscience. I will not slavishly follow any train of thought(I believe we were called heretics in the past). I will neither live a hedonistic lifestyle whilst denouncing the World for not renouncing their pleasures, that’s hypocrisy. So I will sleep easy yet keeping an eye on the climate as it changes constantly👍🏻😊
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I think I would need more than thick socks. St Johns in Newfoundland is a similar latitude to Saint Nazaire in France, both coastal towns on the Atlantic.
St Johns normal February weather, day -1C, night -9C, sea temp -1C. Brrrrrrrr....☃️
Saint Nazaire day 11C, night 3C, sea 9.6C. Still wouldn't fancy a dip though.😂
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The arguments and tactics deployed by the climate change deniers are straight out of the tobacco lobbies playbook, it would be funny if it wasn’t so serious.
For me it would be much more convenient to believe that there is no such thing as man made climate change. Life would be simpler but the balance of informed opinion seems to point strongly that man made climate change is real and happening and maybe even if we had the will, it may already be too late.
Let’s face it opinion without evidence is at best faith and at worst superstitious mumbo jumbo.
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