An appeal to Safefill users - and others!
I do not wish this thread to deteriorate into a debate about Safefill Cylinders and the whys and wherefores of various other makes. This is not a promotion of any product. So please, if you are not a Safefill User, (unless you wish to assist your fellow campers, Motorhomers and caravanners which would be very welcome!) do not comment. This thread is about the effort by the ‘Leisure public’ who use Safefill cylinders to increase the chances of more fill points which can only be a positive move. Morrisons moved to facilitate Safefill after I suggested we all write to them and ask about filling a perfectly legal cylinder. People power does work and it can be a powerful force when applied. Can anyone who uses, or is about to purchase a Safefill, or would like to see fill points open up nearer to them or just simply wants to help their fellow caravanners- please take 5 minutes to email the following Service Station Groups about filling Safefill cylinders now that the Red Guide has been amended to encompass them and Morrisons have allowed their filling. You will get the details from the web. I have only chosen 2 at the moment- more will follow. If we do this as a group, we can change minds as we did with Morrisons. The first is Penny Petroleum which is based in the north of England and has 42 sites I believe. They are on Twitter so that’s another way of contacting them and applying gentle pressure! The second and much larger concern is Euro Garages Group. Please help. Safefill are too small to get out there and visit everyone but they are doing their best I can assure you. Can you please post when you have sent your communication and any results you receive to the thread Thank you so much . We need those fill points!
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What I would like to see is the C&MC taking proactive action and support on behalf of it's 'members' and support Safefill and also contact service station groups.
Just a thought, how about a standard draft letter that we could all use giving the correct information.
https://https://www.pennypetroleum.com/#aboutuswww.pennypetroleum.com/#aboutus
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Thanks Chris. It’s certainly worth thinking about but my own thoughts are that individual letters and contacts would be more powerful. I certainly agree that the Club could help but it’s all about politics I’m afraid. I will certainly contact the club and see how the land lies. Thanks for your input
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I have sent my email this afternoon.
enquiries @eurogarages.com
Not only do we need more fill points but the retailers need more business. A win win.
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I for one, will do it although I am quite fortunate around Kent.
It would be lovely to know I can pull into any forecourt and know I can fill up with gas as well as diesel.
I inherited my safefill with th Motorhome - steady Corners, it might just happen to you 🤪
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It would be lovely to know I can pull into any forecourt and know I can fill up with gas as well as diesel - this is what the aim is!
Thanks arty- much obliged. You inherited a Safefill cylinder? WOW! How nice. I suppose it had to happen one day! If you would help us Corners that would be great! If anyone out there would email these two companies even if you don’t own a Safefill and have no intention of owning one then it would still help your fellow ‘vanners and some MHers. Anything from a simple’Why can’t we fill a cylinder that is acceptable by Morrisons ‘ to mentioning the Red Guide being amended and that there are thousands of SF cylinders out there.
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and I could have one in my van without any modification or cost?
Btw my last 6Kg bottle propane lasted four years.
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see what you did there - clever
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And other makes are available👍🏻
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I see, I thought from this thread there was only one?
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No, a quick Google search reveals several others. I guess there must be drawbacks to them or we'd have heard much more about them.
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Oh OK, maybe someone has shares or is on commission in the safefill ones
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Surely not!?
Anyway, I hope that’s helped give you and others a brief insight into the wider scope of the subject.👍🏻
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Yes thank you, but I won't bother EHU is far better and easier all round
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It would be lovely to know I can pull into any forecourt and know I can fill up with gas as well as diesel.
Eurogarages have two massive forecourts near me, neither of which appear to sell LPG, one station is fairly new and the other is brand new. (So I'm not sure of the value in writing to them...?)
They do have a mixture of Greggs, Starbucks & Subway outlets etc. I think you will find that as forecourts are modernised they don't bother with LPG pumps, there's far more money in pasties & cups of coffee than selling the odd caravanner a few quids worth of gas. Given that I haven't seen or heard of an LPG propelled car for donkeys years now, you are never, ever going to be able to pull onto any forecourt and fill up with diesel and LPG.
LPG refills will involve the faff of trawling the back streets looking for a stockist. Unless you are a very high gas user it will remain considerably easier to have an exchange cylinder.
Long live Calor I say...........
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+1
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Come on guys, give us a break. I did ask that the thread not be used for flippant and diversive comments. We are just trying to get more fill points. That’s it. No hidden agenda, If you can’t or won’t help that’s fine but please, leave the thread alone so people who do want to try to improve things as far as Safefill refilling is concerned can. Thanks.
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You may wish to control the direction that a thread goes in Merve, but that doesn't mean that other people can't and shouldn't respond to points that arise from it.
The fact that a comment doesn't help your case for Safefill is not a reason that it shouldn't be posted.....
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Quite so, Tintent.
Merve, it’s also a fact that once a thread has been started, we ordinary posters have no control over its future as it's in the public domain for anyone to read and post in. Only the mods can control content and then only to ensure it conforms with the T&Cs.
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Here's an interesting point.
There are 550000 caravans and 250000 MH at present. I can't see many caravans converting to safefill due to the problem of filling up while towing, easy on Motorways but not so easy to impossible at the Morrsions I use. So lets say a 100,000 covert. Assume all the MH convert to safefill, that's a total of 350,000. Now assume they all fill up their 6Kg once a year.
That's 350,000 x 6 = 2,100,000 kg. Now I have just seen that 1 kg of propane = just under 2 litres volume, say 2 litres.
So that's 4,200,000 litres at 40p per litre = £1,680,000
Divide that by the current number of petrol stations in the UK - 8000
That mean each petrol station will make a very tidy sum of £210 per year. I wonder what the profit if on Safefill, and if you take into account the installation costs, will it be worth it to have safefill at every station?
Don't forget that's assuming every single MH goes to safefill (other brands are available)
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Do you never fill fuel in your car while towing?
I cannot say we find it a problem.
However, the whole point of Safefill is that it is a removable refillable, so no need to take the caravan to the filling point, just stick the cylinder in the car.
We do not have Safefill, we have Gaslow, which similarly is refillable, and they have both systems, removable and fixed. We have fixed, and have not had a problem with finding or accessing a place to refill en route between sites.
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No I have never filled my car while towing, we always have a full tank when we leave and after stopping for the night we fill up again usually at the cheapest place I can find which is usually a supermarket. Our local Morrsions I think it would be impossible to fill up while towing and you have to curve around to get to the exit.
I always think it best to have as much fuel as possible when towing just in case. I remember being told the only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire admittedly that was flying rather than towing
If you're take the gas bottle to the petrol station that's just the same as taking it to a Calor outlet. Anyway I've never done that either as we always swop it on a club site or at a service.
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yes I think you are right, I always overestimate just to be safe
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We generally do similar, but on a longer trip we sometimes need to top up en route to make sure we reach our destination. The Tesco just off J43 on the M6 at Carlisle is one we use frequently.
Not sure I understand the point you are making in your last paragraph, but the main difference would be that a 6 kg refill would cost you about £7.50, not the approx. £25 for a Calor.
The price of LPG is way more than 40ppl, usually 55p+.
For someone who uses as little gas as you do, there is no point in having a refillable, but for those of us who get through the equivalent of several 6kg cylinders every year, there are big savings to be made.
Safefill, as you said, is only one make of refillable cylinder, there are several others, but they are all filled in the same manner.
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