An appeal to Safefill users - and others!
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OK that's £288.75 per petrol station then per year or over £5 per week. I wonder how much they can make on take away coffee in comparison?
I couldn't find any figures but some interesting quotes:
FIVE YEARS AGO it was hard to find a petrol station selling espresso, now coffee is more important than oil or petrol to some filling stations.
That’s according to Applegreen chief operations officer Joe Barrett who said coffee is now the “most important product we sell”.
“It’s way more important than oil. Coffee is a key, an important part of our sector and that’s really where profit is. Internally we call it ‘black gold’.”
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Push-button coffee machines making €1m a year in busy service stations
So if you were running a petrol station which one would you choose, Safefill or coffee? mmm difficult decision!
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MM, like most things you’ll find instructions somewhere-try online, I’m sure you’ve done that😜😜😂
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Some people seem to miss the several points about Refillables - Safefill or others - One is you can top up at your convenience so unless doing long trips - this can be done wherever you normally do at home. I have just returned from a trip and on the journey home spent three nights not hooked up on a 3 Cs site at a saving of around £4 a night. I called in at Brayford Leisure and topped up on the way home - while also getting a couple of warranty bits put right. .2 of a litre was all that was used for fridge in hot weather and hot water. Plus a couple of kettles - didn't cook anything else.
I will be sending emails in due course.
Incidentally Brayford Leisure - Lincoln are offering a free fill up when you buy a Safefill cylinder.
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At the risk of bringing 'over there' into the equation, the other major advantage of refillables is the availability of LPG whilst abroad. Whilst this has no relevance to those who are "all electric" and never venture abroad, it is all about flexibility and availability of a service.
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No axe to grind as we use very little gas, apart from barbecuing via cadac. But surely one cannot compute the profitability or otherwise of a garage stocking LPG based on that single product alone.
all retail outlets of all kinds use the availability or pricing of product A to encourage customers to visit, and thus potentially buy products B & C as well. That’s why many retailers, including garages, sell newspapers. The shelf space needed could not be justified on sales/profitability value alone, but the knock-on sales are potentially substantial. ..... including coffee or pastries as suggested! Let alone petrol.
The availability of LPG, and the opportunity to refill Safefill or alternatives, would surely work similarly to attract new customers and increase the spend per visit.
Why not support the greater availability of any product or service that in turn supports the leisure industry of which we are all part? What’s to lose?
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Last time I filled the motorhome fixed tank with LPG there was a private car in front of me filling their tank. I believe a number of taxis use LPG as well so there is quite a market. If we all barbecued at home more often we would be more like New Zealand where most garages seem to have an LPG pump for filling cylinders.
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but if it is not safe?
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except buying and selling coffee, papers other stuff is quite cheap, safe, and easy to do, an trained person can put them there and collect the money.
Adding a LPG pump is far more difficult and costly and the returns may not justify the costs involved, perhaps £5 per week? Why install safefill (and other products are available - I can't understand why Merve keeps pushing safefill) at a great cost when coffee makes money money and could indeed be said to support the leisure industry more?
Any strangely enough I never go to a petrol station to buy papers or coffee alone, it's mainly and most times only for the petrol,
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Total rip off? They exchange the bottle with no hassle for £20-ish once every 2-3 years. To me that’s simple and cost effective. What’s more, I can do it on site without the performance of getting to a garage only to be told they won’t allow me to do what I want. What price the simple life?
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Changing a bottle every 2-3 years, you would have to be nuts to consider a refillable bottle. I can get through the equivalent of 6kg every 2-3 weeks. So a refillable bottle makes a lot of sense to me.
So I have two questions. Why are there several posters on this thread, who assume that their reality is my reality?
second question, why are these same posters even participating in this thread, when it is not relevant to them and they contribute nothing?
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I’m glad you agree, Boff, that Calor isn't a TOTAL rip off. I'm glad I’ve been able to introduce an element of balance.
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Well a swift answer is that what is not relevant to you maybe relevant to someone else and with all respect you are not the arbiter of what is and what isn't relevant and who post's and who does not. Once a post has been made anyone can answer it and expect the respect as described by the T&C.
By the replies given I've found there are other refills available which was at all not clear for whatever reason and still not clarified, and that it is not worth having these in certain conditions.
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There have been plenty of threads discussing refillables in the past as there have been with various makes of Caravans and BBQs - do feel free to bring on a new thread discussing whatever you want to discuss. I have found Calor to be a rip off as I heat my house with LPG and I had an offer to refill my huge tank at some 54p a litre - on my refusal they reduced their offer to 22p a litre - they clearly get away with charging 54p to people who don't question it. And of course they are not the only company behaving like that. I think the sort of information we get from threads like this and many others is extremely useful.
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There may be times when you find it a rip off, Pippah, but my point was that there are times when it is not and, therefore, to call it a total rip off is inaccurate.
The information is indeed useful as we have all now seen that different brands are available and that there are times when to use the exchangeable cylinders is more sensible. It helps us choose what is best for ourselves.
I heat my house with LPG as well (not Calor) but it’s not by cylinders, refillable or otherwise, so I saw no point in making any comparison here.
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Corners....why do you keep talking about "installing safefill"?
An LPG pump can be used to fill any suitable cylinder or tank.
What Merve is campaigning for is for owners of suitably equipped and safe portable cylinders to be allowed to refill them. The filling of portable cylinders is often associated with the illegal filling of cylinders such as Calor using various adaptors, these cylinders such as Safefill and Gaslow are specially made to be refilled safely at an LPG pump, unlike Calor cylinders.
Why Merve is campaigning only for Safefill to be allowed, I have no idea, but if outlets accept Safefill, no doubt other makes will soon follow.
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I rather imagine that Calor have lost money on Calorlites, my guess was that they were introduced as a rushed response to BP Gaslite, having seen off that threat. They have lost interest. But if the Average Calorlite bottle is generating £25 every 12 months I don’t see much profit. Btw Safefil seems to mainly out of stock at the moment.
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Ok I assume it is not like giving out milk, I assume you do not go with your empty gas bottle and they pour it out from one container into another. The LPG will need a storage tank and the necessary pump and nozzle to fit your bottle with all the required safety procedures.
If a petrol station do not have this then it will need to be installed, this would cost money, would there be a return on that money. I can only think of one station in my known area that sells LPG. I would suppose that if others wanted to follow then some installation and costs would follow?
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Merve getting a hard time? No, it’s exploring and expanding our knowledge of the situation whilst examining the practicalities.
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