Interesting petition
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thanks, once more....interesting stuff and no different to getting a project off the ground in any other sphere....lord knows, I reviewed plenty of PIDs in my time....it's when the flesh starts to get put on the bones (costs, duration, scheduling, resourcing) that you get a better idea of the viability....
perhaps the petition should have incorporated some attempt at defining some of these for a one site example....but difficult without knowing where, and what size, it might be....
thanks...
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one putt, you've falsely inferred that I've called you a liar.....
please withdraw your comment or I will report ypur post
looks like you've just four putted from six feet
imthink Michael just asked you for proof....no different than when someone comes on here complaining abot dog crap and the fisrt thing we get I'd where is the evidence....
where is the difference?
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.....apology accepted, but there was no need for the post at all....as above, anyone can say anything about waste (van or dog) and the first response is evidence?....quickly followed by....what did the perpetrator say when you approached them.....?
all standard CT forum stuff, I'm afraid.....
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I love these games, give us a clue PD. I’m leaning toward you don’t like your fellow Brits, but I’m not sure yet, you like dusty car parks for overnighting, you like to think you’re an adventurer as opposed to a holidaymaker. Mmmm, choices🤔🤔
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std 'dog thread reply'.....there will always be idiots who do stupid uncaring things and sometimes, thank goodness, they are caught and punished....
however, I've never thrown toilet waste anywhere but the 'correct' place yet I am still comfortable using Aires.....and the provided facility
being parked on a place like this (again, thet doesn't hold appeal for most caravaners) doesn't make me a bad or negligent camper, it just means i don't (necessarily) want to be on a campsite at that particular time....
it also doent mean any group staying on an aire are any more likely to be negligent in their ways....
like bad campers, dog owners can also be 'sloppy' with their charges on campsites and elsewhere....bad owners aren't fussy where they let stds fall and neither are bad campers....
if they're bad, they're bad
im glad that idiot got caught, but similarly, I'd like to see other 'dirty habits' punished and not sidestepped......physically and metaphorically
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Rocky, you must have read in something way different to me....
i thought the point was that touring (a string of many 'destinations') the uk in a larger MH is not as easy as it 'elsewhere' due to the lack of stopping points (especially towing a car)....which is the thrust of the OP.
To that end, perhaps PDee just chooses a single destination for each trip? that's how I read it....no hidden under currents that I could glean....
in fact, we generally do just that on our UK trips, more shorter jpurneys and some bike exploration....we generally aren't here long enough to do the sort of extensive (adventurer?
) touring we do 'over there' where facilities for this type of trip are in abundance...seems to be a lot of 'conspiracy theory' posts on here lately...
folk getting paranoid? probably the heat?
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Alan, again a caravanner hasn't grasped it......
for this type of touring and the 'request' for more stopping places, it's the location that's the driver...
a car park (no, lets tart it up and call it an 'aire') right in a town centre might be far more convenient (desirable even) for many touring MHers than a full fat site 10miles away from said town....
whats the 'advantage' of a poorly located site (especially CC type that provide no amenities other than a shower block)?
again, 'over there' a site might have a pool, bar, restaurant which might make it far more attractive, but not generally here...
for you, maybe, a CC seems a wonderful place to stay, but they don't hold that same sort of appeal for someone coming in, visiting a town for the day and then moving on....the site is far too expensive for what it offers.....a shower block and a poorer location....
Oneputt got huffy about Michael suggesting caravanners don't understand the way many MHErs tour using Aires and then you post something that confirms it..
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I like the humour, Easy 🤣🤣🤣
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Such a shame that this thread has deteriorated into an "us and them" argument over the past couple of days.
For the record, although we are caravanners now, we spent plenty of time touring "over there" in a tiny ridge tent in our younger days, staying maybe a couple of days or so at many places, albeit "proper" sites, before moving on, so this caravanner is not exactly devoid of knowledge about the attractions of "linear" touring - still that's not what this thread is about is it?
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Presumably BB you are not expecting to pay CC prices for your Town centre Aire. ET seemed to be showing that the cost of a parking space in such a location would be similar.
What incentive would there be for cash strapped LA's to provide land for this use and recoupe less in revenue than they would from a car park? After all the car owners are also going to spend money in their town.
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Alan, again a caravanner hasn't grasped it......
Of course I 'grasped it BB as PD seems to realise.
My comment about the costs of staying on a car park was slightly tongue in cheek as I was referring to the fact that suitable 'aire' type set ups for a larger motorhome and towed car are unlikely to be ready available in most UK towns/cities as I understand. As PD suggests he would not necessarily need the toad in UK if aires were available in such town locations.
whats the 'advantage' of a poorly located site (especially CC type that provide no amenities other than a shower block)?
For me in the UK a town site or city site has only limited appeal as I wish to visit an area and often a handfull of places in (say) a 15 mile radius of where I am based whether a CC site or other.
Oneputt got huffy about Michael suggesting caravanners don't understand the way many MHErs tour using Aires and then you post something that confirms it..
My post does not confirm it at all! All it confirms is that, for many the UK, is not best suited to touring with a sizeable motorhome and hence why I do not own one. I realised a good number of years ago that a motorhome that would suit myself and my partner would not make it sensible to easily visit many small towns and villages in the UK. Car parks do not often have a suitable layout within many cities.
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Oneputt got huffy about Michael suggesting caravanners don't understand the way many MHErs tour using Aires and then you post something that confirms it..
BB I think you must be about as blue in the face as I am
As I stated elsewhere when we were tuggers we could not understand the appeal of an Aire/Car Park as with a caravan we could park on a nice site and drive into town/city/beauty spot visit then travel teh same road back to our nice pitch on our nice site. We then moved to a MH we knew we did not want to stay on a site like above and travel the same road over and over to see various touristy things but would rather move from one to another in a linear fashion and park or stay as close as possible so we could make use of say going our for a meal or having a couple of sundownmers somewhere without having to drive afterwards so we tried some Aires last year. Yes a few were car park types ranging from the centre of Sarlat, Castelnaudary to beach side ones near Sete and even a local social club with a lake. But we also found some great ones where you could sit out, put up the awning and stay a few days particularly near serignan plage and les Barcares. See pictures.
We interspersed these with some sites for a few days with pools, beaches, restaurants, bars etc.
The story being we like to move about in the MH as each day you set off on a new adventure and explore new things and having a nice handy stop within a town, tourist attraction etc. where you can easily park and stay overnight at a reasonable cost (from free to €16) sometimes with EHU and WiFi other times just a parking place is great and I re-iterate not something we understood when we were towing a caravan which was more get to site ASAP, set up camp then go out for days more often than not going up and down the same road to get somewhere.
So maybe the petition is not a fully blown project plan but an idea to start the ball rolling and maybe get the C&MC and others to start thinking about the needs of all and start to offer or get LA's to offer the same type of experience and opportunity to be able to park close to tourist attractions/towns etc, They do not all need water and waste facilities apart from a bin but it is nice if it has it and that can be charged extra at say £2 for 100l of water but free dump of black and grey waste. Can be existing car parks that allow overnight PARKING in designated areas, having these parking spots for daytime use would also allow people to just visit and park for the day as well.
One other body to lobby would be National Trust and English Heritage, I know some do have camp sites and CL's but I would guess even members would not be offended to be charged a few £££££ to park overnight in some great locations which would obviously boost the coffers of said organisations....
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no I wouldnt, Steve, would anyone really consider £25 to park their vehicle overnight?
with the upsurge in vanning (caravanning and MHs) wouldn't this indicate that, despite the gloom/doom mongers, there is still some cash and spending power about?
whilst I understand many councils have financial,pressure and many priorities, the realignment of a few white lines (even next to the coach area) in a car park isn't a bank breaker and might end up as quick win, attracting vans that would otherwise not bother.....
even in France, not all Aires have 'services' and are just overnighting areas, so the provision of water/waste isn't mandatory at every location.
perhaps ETs point could be applied to MH services....why would they reserve dedicated caravan spaces when they can get three 'car customers' in the same place?
its done to spread the resources around all types of customers and MHusers are customers of a local town in the same way as car drivers are....
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nice, summary Michael.....
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Pricing is something else, why should there be any cost added?
It does not have to be any new land, make use of existing suitable car parks or other land already there. A lot of large cities have P&R, just provide a few longer spaces to park there like Canterbury who then charge the normal parking fee of £4 a day, same as Salisbury and Winchester, attracts people to the town, spend money in local economy so everyone is a winner!!
Have to think out of the box, do not have to reinvent the wheel, many places in France are leisure centres, market places, Supermarkets etc. Again make use of your assets and you will attract more people who spend more money to keep local economies going so creates more wealth for local people and authorities.
Simples!!!!
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What a load of rubbish, K. We chose when to stop touring that way and it was long before we moved from a tent to a caravan. I do wish you would stop trying to impose your particular choices on the rest of us. We holiday exactly how we choose to - when we go abroad now we can afford to go for longer and further afield. I have no desire to tour Europe in our caravan, but that's my choice, can you not understand that? But I can quite see why other folk like doing things that way. Open your eyes for once - stop trying to provoke discord, it ain't going to work, my friend!
Edit - purely out of interest, when and why did you stop touring that way?
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Not sure that I understand the concept of 'linear touring' Moulesy
. To me linear makes me think of walks where one retraces steps to start point rather than doing a circuit. When I was younger (40 to 50 say) I would often move on every 2 or 3 days on average. Now with more time and having slowed down a little 5 days is a better average. As for covering the same route every day from a site that is not really an issue for us. Yes we may travel out somewhere say 25 miles away on occasion but even that journey is usually a circuit in itself stopping at several places rather than linear out and back. More usual is a run of 10 miles or less. At most locations, other than coastal there are 4 points of the compass to explore the area. 0
