Use of disabled facilities
This months edition of the Club Magazine contains a letter from a member complaining about able bodied people using the disabled facilities. I have always thought that it was OK to use whatever is available. The letter has been printed in full with no remark or editorial comment , which makes think that I'm wrong. Or am I right?
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I thought the disabled facilities were controlled with a RADAR lock? I think when a toilet block is being cleaned it is the disabled facility which is left open, otherwise it is not available for general use. Having said that, it's surely important to bear in mind that not all disabilities are visible and I do think the writer of that letter was making possibly unwarranted assumptions.
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Do you mean dedicated facilities, for which I thought you needed a key, or those just adapted to assist the disabled.?
For the first, I would not use them. I don't have a key and don't have a need. So would leave them for those who do.
For those adapted to assist. I use others if available. Those if they are the last available, or I have hurt my back again. ☹️ As far as I am aware they are for anyone to use. It just makes sense to only use them if they are the last available, in case anyone with a greater need comes along.
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Moulesy is quite correct in what he says.
I wonder, though, if the letter writer is referring to the ‘enabled’ facilities which exist within the toilet/shower blocks alongside the usual facilities. The ‘enabled’ facilities are designed for those of us who need a little extra help but are not disabled. They are available for all to use.
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like the above I only see the disabled toilets open when cleaning is in use, but not on all sites. As a rule I don't use them unless it's an emergency.
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With regard to enabled facilities I've always thought it was good form to give preference to anyone needing them at the time of use. With disabled facilities requiring radar access then these should, I reckon, be available to those who need at all times. Trouble is radar keys are too easily available to all these days. However, let's not jump to conclusions, even those who appear fit and healthy may require radar facilities despite their appearance. Not all needs are visible to the rest of us!
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I've just read the letter and it's probably the disabled facility being referred to as the author of the letter refers to a woman coming out while he was waiting. He was able to tell that she had no physical difficulties and rather cleverly was able to tell from a conversation that she had no hidden difficulties either. He must work for ATOS
I have a radar key and it came through a totally legitimate route. If anyone sees me leaving the disabled facilities in a sprightly fashion and assumes from a brief chat that I have no hidden disability either then I'm more than happy to explain in words of one syllable what hidden disability means. What I won't do is justify my use of such a facility to a busy body
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The letter did say that the person admitted to not having disabilities. Years ago I replied to a comment regarding showers, stating that I found the fixed head was to high for us shorties, or even children and was told by Rowena that I could use the adapted cubicle. On some sites it states for people with disabilities others not because there is a dedicated disabled shower / toilet area.
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thought it read that she had admitted, could be wrong, need to re read it
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There was a campaign started recently to underline the fact that not all disabilities are visible and that is why notices to that effect are appearing on the doors of disabled toilets in supermarkets and other places.
Like Jay, I have a legitimate Radar key and I’m blowed if I’d explain my right to use the facility to a stranger either. I'd merely point to the sign if it was present and tell them to mind their own business.
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quite agree but if somebody can walk to and from the toilet block unaided and use the facilities unaided then that would make me think why not use the normal toilets. I have to attend to the wife's needs for everything and if she had to wait for somebody who could use the normal toilet while she is sat in her wheel chair then I would be quite annoyed. but I'm the sort of person that would keep my mouth shut anyway.
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In fairness, being able to walk isn't always the full story. Dedicated facilities are often more spacious, and tend to have everything in the one room which someone might need.
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I’m afraid that is the attitude that perpetuates the school of thought the recent campaign is trying to change.
There are many reasons why someone would need to use disabled facilities yet have full use of their legs and not need help. For instance, have you ever considered the needs of someone who uses a colostomy bag? Clearly not. No, that’s not my problem but I can imagine the difficulties encountered and the upset you would cause by challenging someone with that problem.
I would never knowingly inconvenience your wife, or anyone else, LL, but I am fully entitled to use those facilities and suggest a little more thought and a little less mouth would be in order if you meet someone you consider to be able bodied using such facilities.
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And this is exactly what people with hidden disabilities have to put up with.
Just think about the sort of conditions that might require a bit of space and privacy and convenient hand washing facilities.
Don't turn disability into top trumps
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The facilities are facilities that are adapted to be more suitable for persons who would have difficulty using the non adapted facilities.
They generally are not facilities for the exclusive use of disabled persons.
I believe the rules are that equal access to similar facilities must be provided wherever practicable. This does not preclude anybody else from using them. It may be inconsiderate of them to do so but that is between them and their conscience.
The first point I would make is that it would benefit all if all the facilities were adapted for equality of access for all. This means that anybody can use all the facilities and if there is a queue then everybody in the queue is equal. It would also mean we would all have access to bigger better thought-out facilities.
The conflict arises when someone who could use standard facilities arrives to find them all occupied. They choose not to wait and use the disabled adapted ones. This is a practical solution to their bathing requirements. Some argue this is wrong.
The next conflict is that if someone who needs the adapted facility arrives when the person above is bathing then they have to wait. Some would argue that this tough, all the facilities are full so they have to wait, as does everybody else. Anger is often targeted at the bathing person.
Then there is the assumption that certain classes of people only should use these facilities and judgement is made of others. Consider the fact that the person may not be registered disabled but may have needs that you do not understand and certainly have right to expect them to explain.
If you arrive and your required ablution providing facility is occupied then accept you have to wait. And yes, I really do understand that this may cause greater issues for some but complain to the site for more suitable facilities, being angry at the person currently bathing achieves nothing.
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LL, I would like you to consider the words “and a little less mouth” as Deleted User from my previous post. I misread the closing sentence of your post for which I apologise.
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I think the actual wording on all 3 "adapted"facilities is this standard cubicle has been adapted to assist the disabled ,which would mean they are available to all,and can be used by all and if a non wheelchair disabled person requires to use any of the three at busy times,then I am of the opinion that probably a short wait is quite acceptable
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I have read and re-read the letter in the magazine and I am unable to decide what facilities are being discussed. I lean towards the specialist disabled toilet/shower room as the letter writer does use the term disabled toilet/washroom which perhaps suggests it is. I am also thinking you would be unlikely to be waiting in a toilet block to use a particular cubicle whilst discussing the use of that cubicle with another camper, no doubt in full hearing of the occupier of the cubicle? Having no experience of Club disabled rooms I would have thought that access to them was in some way controlled either by a RADAR key or a key from the reception, is this not the case?
On a wider view away from Club sites there seem to be an increasing number of general purpose toilets which whilst designed with disabled people in mind are able to be used by both disabled and able bodied members of the public alike. This is certainly the case in quite a few shops, coffee shops and indeed hospitals. The single toilet at my dentist surgery is the same. So there are lots of places which are designed to facilitate disabled people but not necessarily for their exclusive use.
David
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I would have thought that access to them was in some way controlled either by a RADAR key or a key from the reception, is this not the case?
You are indeed correct David, their use was once a must have for us. Originally the keys were held in reception but the Club has a policy of converting all the specialist, wheelchair accessible, disabled facilities to RADAR locks. They should have all been converted by now. Anyone can buy a RADAR key.
Those facilities in the general toilet areas only apply to a single shower cubicle and are only suitable for ambulent disabled as are the the toilets and wash basins.
peedee
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I also think the magazine editor could have included a comment from the club, it would have been helpful to all concerned otherwise it ups the anti slightly and this need not have been the case.
So for me, a letter like this is not helpful without some qualifying or explanatory remarks from the club.
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David I think it's fairly safe to assume that the author is talking about the specialist disabled facility unless he was queuing in the ladies. Otherwise he'd have struggled to see who came out.
Although I have a radar key I rarely use it and have never used a club site facility to date. However if I did use it I am just as entitled to be there as anyone else. I did not get my key for fun!
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