Use of disabled facilities

dennisd
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edited June 2018 in UK Campsites & Touring #1

This months edition of the Club Magazine contains a letter from a member complaining about able bodied people using the disabled facilities. I have always thought that it was OK to use whatever is available. The letter has been printed in full with no remark or editorial comment , which makes think that I'm wrong. Or am I right?undecided

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  • SteveL
    SteveL Club Member Posts: 12,303 ✭✭✭
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    edited June 2018 #3

    Do you mean dedicated facilities, for which I thought you needed a key, or those just adapted to assist the disabled.?

    For the first, I would not use them. I don't have a key and don't have a need. So would leave them for those who do.

    For those adapted to assist. I use others if available. Those if they are the last available, or I have hurt my back again. ☹️ As far as I am aware they are for anyone to use. It just makes sense to only use them if they are the last available, in case anyone with a greater need comes along.

  • moulesy
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    edited June 2018 #4

    Yes, that's correct, Steve. They used to have a notice on the door saying something along the lines of " this specially adapted cubicle is available for anyone to use". Maybe they don't show that any more?

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2018 #5

    Moulesy is quite correct in what he says.

    I wonder, though, if the letter writer is referring to the ‘enabled’ facilities which exist within the toilet/shower blocks alongside the usual facilities. The ‘enabled’ facilities are designed for those of us who need a little extra help but are not disabled. They are available for all to use. 

  • Cornersteady
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    edited June 2018 #6

    like the above I only see the disabled toilets open when cleaning is in use, but not on all sites. As a rule I don't use them unless it's an emergency.

  • mickysf
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    edited June 2018 #7

    With regard to enabled facilities I've always thought it was good form to give preference to anyone needing them at the time of use. With disabled facilities requiring radar access then these should, I reckon,  be available to those who need at all times. Trouble is radar keys are too easily available to all these days. However, let's not jump to conclusions, even those who appear fit and healthy may require radar facilities despite their appearance. Not all needs are visible to the rest of us!

  • cariadon
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    edited June 2018 #9

    The letter did say that the person admitted to not having disabilities. Years ago I replied to a comment regarding showers, stating that I found the fixed head was to high for us shorties, or even children and was told by Rowena that I could use the adapted cubicle. On some sites it states for people with disabilities others not because there is a dedicated disabled shower / toilet area.

     

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    thought it read that she had admitted, could be wrong, need to re read it

  • JayEss
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    edited June 2018 #10

    I didn't read it that way Cariadon. Let's be honest - who's going to stand in a queue comparing disabilities with a complete stranger?

  • cariadon
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    edited June 2018 #11

    A person who is going to write into the magazine.

    I believe that disabilities comes in all forms, and just because it cant be seen does not mean it's not there.

  • JayEss
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    edited June 2018 #12

    To be fair to the author he did say that he didn't mind disabled people using disabled facilities which is very generous under the circumstances undecidedlaughing

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2018 #13

    There was a campaign started recently to underline the fact that not all disabilities are visible and that is why notices to that effect are appearing on the doors of disabled toilets in supermarkets and other places.

    Like Jay, I have a legitimate Radar key and I’m blowed if I’d explain my right to use the facility to a stranger either. I'd merely point to the sign if it was present and tell them to mind their own business. 

  • lornalou1
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    edited June 2018 #14

     quite agree but if somebody can walk to and from the toilet block unaided and use the facilities unaided then that would make me think why not use the normal toilets. I have to attend to the wife's needs  for everything and if she had to wait for somebody who could use the normal toilet while she is sat in her wheel chair then I would be quite annoyed. but I'm the sort of person that would keep my mouth shut anyway.  

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited June 2018 #15

    In fairness, being able to walk isn't always the full story. Dedicated facilities are often more spacious, and tend to have everything in the one room which someone might need. laughing

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2018 #19

    LL, I would like you to consider the words “and a little less mouth” as Deleted User from my previous post. I misread the closing sentence of your post for which I apologise. 

  • JVB66
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    edited June 2018 #20

    I think the actual wording on all 3 "adapted"facilities is this standard cubicle has been adapted to assist the disabled ,which would mean they are available to all,and can be used by all and if a non wheelchair disabled person requires to use any of the three at busy times,then I am of the opinion  that probably a short wait is quite acceptable

  • EmilysDad
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    edited June 2018 #21

    The wording I have seen is ..... this general use cubicle has been adapted etc etc 

  • JVB66
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    edited June 2018 #22

    Which is even more in line with use by anyone

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited June 2018 #23

    I have read and re-read the letter in the magazine and I am unable to decide what facilities are being discussed. I lean towards the specialist disabled toilet/shower room as the letter writer does use the term disabled toilet/washroom which perhaps suggests it is. I am also thinking you would be unlikely to be waiting in a toilet block to use a particular cubicle whilst discussing the use of that cubicle with another camper, no doubt in full hearing of the occupier of the cubicle? Having no experience of Club disabled rooms I would have thought that access to them was in some way controlled either by a RADAR key or a key from the reception, is this not the case?

    On a wider view away from Club sites there seem to be an increasing number of general purpose toilets which whilst designed with disabled people in mind  are  able to be used by both disabled and able bodied members of the public alike. This is certainly the case in quite a few shops, coffee shops and indeed hospitals.  The single toilet at my dentist surgery is the same. So there are lots of places which are designed to facilitate disabled people but not necessarily for their exclusive use. 

    David

  • peedee
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    edited June 2018 #24

    I would have thought that access to them was in some way controlled either by a RADAR key or a key from the reception, is this not the case?

    You are indeed correct David, their use was once a must have for us. Originally the keys were held in reception but the Club has a policy of converting all the specialist, wheelchair accessible, disabled facilities to RADAR locks. They should have all been converted by now. Anyone can buy a RADAR key.

    Those facilities in the general toilet areas only apply to a single shower cubicle and are only suitable for ambulent disabled as are the the toilets and wash basins.

    peedee

     

  • Oneputt
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    edited June 2018 #25

    This is another instance where a staff champion could tell us what the rules/situation is or should be

  • peedee
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    edited June 2018 #26

    I know on site staff are not permitted to question their use.

    peedee

  • brue
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    edited June 2018 #27

    I also think the magazine editor could have included a comment from the club, it would have been helpful to all concerned otherwise it ups the anti slightly and this need not have been the case.

    So for me, a letter like this is not helpful without some qualifying or explanatory remarks from the club.

  • peedee
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    edited June 2018 #28

    Try Face Book, you will get a response there.

    peedee

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  • JayEss
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    edited June 2018 #30

    David I think it's fairly safe to assume that the author is talking about the specialist disabled facility unless he was queuing in the ladies. Otherwise he'd have struggled to see who came out. laughing

    Although I have a radar key I rarely use it and have never used a club site facility to date.  However if I did use it I am just as entitled to be there as anyone else. I did not get my key for fun!

  • JVB66
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    edited June 2018 #31

    frown+1undecided