Adult only
Why as a full member of the club, 15 years, am I not aloud to go to some C/L sites.
How can c/l sites discriminate against family's .c/s are sent up with the help of the club under a certificate held by the club for club members.
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It’s entirely up to the CL owner what conditions he/she applies to the use of the site. No dogs, no MHs, or whatever. Sometimes they say no children for safety reasons such as open water or farm activities.
Without AO CLs, there would be fewer within the CAMC fold but there are plenty of others to choose from. They enhance the choice without detracting from the mainstream sites for use by all.
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CLs may be adult only for any number of reasons; many are on working farms and insurance may play a part. Similarly the many where there is open water. I don't know the exact figures but I suspect the proportion of CLs which are adult only is fairly small. As for being set up with help from the club, talking to many owners, I'm not sure they quite see things that way!
CT is an interesting forum, isn't it? We get any number of requests for AO sites from some members and then complaints about sites which don't accept children! Fortunately, in my experience, there is enough variety to satisfy all.
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Without AO CLs, there would be fewer within the CAMC fold but there are plenty of others to choose from. They enhance the choice without detracting from the mainstream sites for use by all.
They do enhance my choice and in many parts of country there is no C/l choice for families.
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Why are you not railing against the club as they also have sites that do not allow children, albeit AS ones. I'd cancel my membership straight away if I were you.
Believe it or not but there are members out there that do not want to spend their time on sites with children, or with dogs, or on sites that do not provide electric hook ups etc.etc. Variety is the spice of life.
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I find it hard to believe there are areas where the only CLs are AO, tbh.
Would you care to give some examples?
However, accepting that you are correct, without those AO sites there would be no CLs at all and none of us could stay. Therefore, AO Sites do at least provide pitches for many members use.
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We can all choose. I myself chose to stay away from Adult Only sites - I have a feeling I wouldn't like the mindset of the people who go there.
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I don't blame farmers for making their CL Adults only. When farm machinery is being used, livestock is being moved or crops are being stored the farmer does not want the responsibility of a child being injured or worse. Not all parents are vigilant all the time.
I would suggest that a good rule of thumb would be CL's for couples and CMC full blown sites for families.
K
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Actually EuroT we use Adult only sites from time to time but it will be because the site is the best choice for that particular area and in all aspects fits our remit, not that it happens to be AO. This philosophy also applies to Independent sites etc.
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Many CLs are ideal for families with young children - more space and greater freedom for youngsters to let off steam. And of course, at a more reasonable price for families at some times of the year.
I would suggest a good rule of thumb is to let every one choose the most suitable site for themselves from sites available, be that Club Sites, Commercials, CLs, CSs etc but to remember that we are guests and it's up to CL owners themselves to decide who they invite to use their sites - obviously members only though!
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We really enjoyed using CL'S as a family, we tried to find ones that had lplenty of space for the boys to let off steam, without annoying others. There were times when it was hard to find ones that welcomed families in some areas. It is however down to the CL owners whether they accept children or not.
I still like to see families enjoying time on a CL.
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agree with you East T.
We like the more basic sites .Full CMC club site can work out expensive for families. We have all need in the van ,we only need water and toilet empting. We do not spend a lot of time in the caravan ,we get out and about.
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best choice for that particular area and in all aspects fits our remit
agree wherenext
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You’re right that children should not be running wild but many are out and about playing and laughing.
I'm afraid there is no 'should' with regard to CL owners deciding the best way to run their sites. The CLs are not part of the club as such but are granted exemption certificates by the club. Look at it however you like but there is no getting away from the fact that the CL owners cannot be compelled to do as you would like.
Had they not been granted their exemption certificates by this club but by another organisation, then none of us could use them. Please don’t follow the path of wanting to change things because they don’t suit you but think of the membership as a whole. Many members use such sites and if the CL owners turned their backs on CAMC, it would disadvantage the membership.
Here's another thought. The AO Sites are open to all members but it's your choice to want to take children with you so it could be said that you are limiting yourself to certain sites. There’s more than one way of looking at it.
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Firstly, why after 15 years membership what causes you to just ask this now.
Secondly, The adults only sites are a very low percentage of the overall number of cl's. If you look at your own and neighbouring county of Lancashire the percentage of adult only sites is 17%. If you take that as a mean figure across the board then that works out at about 450 adult only sites in the book, not a lot really. So there is plenty left to choose from surely.
I prefer adult only sites and dog free sites but then we are talking a very small minority indeed. I just accept that, bite the bullet and select one from the area I wish to go
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It's a difficult one for CL owners sometimes, damned if they do, damned if they don't. We had first hand experience a short while ago as to how bad parenting could radically alter a site. We were only bystanders luckily, but other visitors had their stay made less than perfect, and the very nice owner, who had carefully explained a few common sense do's and don'ts was left pondering on what to do for the best. Let down badly by two sets of parents. Won't stop us using family sites, but we pick our dates and locations carefully. As with a number of things in life, it only takes a few wrong ones to spoil things for the majority.
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Perhaps there should be an "Oscar Wilde" search category - no dogs or children.
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That seems to be a tad judgemental to me. I have, as far as I can recall, never been on an adult only site. I have used s few sites that have adult only areas such as some Morris Leisure sites. I have however booked an adults only site as part of a tour at the End of August/Start September purely because the site is where I want to be located.
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One's judgement, rightly or wrongly, is based on experience. We stayed on an AO site once which was comprised of mainly seasonal touring vans, that experience added to my judgement and opinion. Not sure whether it was the OA or seasonal aspect which formed the 'ambience' of the place mind or a combination of both. Thankfully I consider myself open minded and can modify my opinions and beliefs. Maybe future, hopefully different, experiences would help. Just need to stay/need to stay, on one mind.
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Sensible retailers of goods and services tailor their business to cater for a wide range of customers tastes. In other words they offer their customers "choice". The old fashioned idea of one size fits all is so last century. Sites which offer various options like No dogs or Adults only can easily co-exist with traditional sites which cater for everybody. That gives customers the options which best suits their circumstances. A win win situation all round.
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Sensible retailers also find that niche market, that something different which, while appealing to the minority, still has a viable customer base. The club's niche market is caravaners and motorhomers and being inclusive across the club site network to all members. It works.
Let a few CLs and the odd AS site cover the 'rest' as they already do.
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I understand where you are coming from micky. But modern customers like choice. Why deny that option. Give the customer a range of products. --- So long as the traditional option is still available, traditional customers would still be catered for. The world moves on. It's a matter of modern "Choice" or old fashioned "No choice".
K
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I think I would not be pleased if a club site didn't allow a child, baby or children. Conversely nor would I be pleased if a club site didn't allow us who are child free on a family site. Neither would be inclusive to all members which I believe is the way of this modern world, inclusivity to all members is that greater choice.
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I suppose life's experiences colour one's choices. Having had the thrill of a howling baby for a full week in the next tent one holiday, we have become a tad wary. The family were very nice, we didn't complain, nothing anyone can do, just life. But I don't think we slept properly for a week. The family themselves gave up and went home after a week. That little chap is probably in his late twenties now.........
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