Ball tampering "Down Under"

Extugger
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edited March 2018 in Sports #1

So, what do you make of the Australians who have blatantly cheated and admitted it?

 

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  • JVB66
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    edited March 2018 #2

    Forfiet the ashes 

  • Extugger
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    edited March 2018 #3

    The fines have been handed out, together with a one test ban.

    Somewhat lenient me thinks 

  • Kennine
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    edited March 2018 #4

    Ball tampering has been prevalent since the advent of Cricket.  No country has been immune but only recently the photographic evidence has meant that a few unfortunate teams have been caught red handed.  It used to be having a pocket full of grit and rubbing it into one side of the ball which was common place. The teams are just a bit more sophisticated now. 

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  • JVB66
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    edited March 2018 #5

    It's because it was OZ if it had been England there would have been a much higher punishment insisted upon especialy if we had the ashes

  • Wherenext
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    edited March 2018 #6

    What's the Ashes got to do with it? They're playing/cheating against South Africa.

    Sport just keeps plumbing the depths.

    It's just not cricket.

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited March 2018 #7

    It's just not cricket.

    Ah, but it was!!winklaughing

    My view is never mind banning them for 1 match and fining them, they should be banned sine die, and that would then set an example to all other sides who might consider doing similar.

     

  • Extugger
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    edited March 2018 #8

    Have to agree.

    A one match ban is pathetic.  The Australian Prime Minister's speech was succinct and his dismay was clearly evident.

    The one test ban is probably all that is required at the moment because I think there will be further repercussions. I wouldn't be surprised to see Smith dropped and banned for life by the ACB. Shame, because he's a superb talent.

  • byron
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    edited March 2018 #9

    What grounds do you have for this allegation?

  • ABM
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    edited March 2018 #10

    Like  Nellie  &   Jonray,  I  think  that  what  has  happened  so  far   is  lenient  BUT  I'll  wait  till  after  they  get  home  to  see  what  happens  then. I  might  be  wrong  but I  have  a  gut  feeling  that  both  of  'em  will  be  lucky  to  get  jobs  washing  sight  screens in  future!!

  • papgeno
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    edited March 2018 #11

    I saw a quote from Mr Smith today saying he was the right man for the job. Sounds like he's got a bucket and sponge ready!😀

  • JVB66
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    edited March 2018 #12

    The usual grounds with anything that is negativeundecided

  • byron
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    edited March 2018 #13

    So no grounds then, just a figment of your imagination

  • Kennine
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    edited March 2018 #14

    Don't think so...What a Strange thing to say  There is absolutely no evidence to support this.  

    A strange post  England winning the ashes is just living in cloud cuckoo land.. 

    wink

  • Whittakerr
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    edited March 2018 #15

    Why do you think teams that get caught red handed are unfortunate? Sounds as though you condone such activities.

  • Kennine
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    edited March 2018 #16

    As said previously Ball Tampering has been prevalent over many years.  England has been in the forefront of this cheating such as the case of Atherton in 1994

    England captain Mike Atherton was in the crosshairs in 1994 when he was accused of ball-tampering during the Lord's Test against South Africa.      --- After TV pictures appeared to show him applying dirt to the ball,  Atherton insisted he had only "put some dust in my   pocket from a used pitch... to keep my hands and the ball dry". --- "Aye Right" wink --- His defence was that, in trying to keep the moisture off the ball, he was therefore seeking to maintain its condition, rather than alter it.  There are varying accounts of exactly what Atherton told match referee Peter Burge, who chose a fine rather than a ban

    Punishment: Atherton fined £2,000. 

    So the cheats have changed the character of cricket - It happens and some are unfortunate and get caught but many others get away with it.  The rules should be applied equally across the cricketing world. 

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  • Metheven
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    edited March 2018 #17

    Just change the rules to allow everyone to do it.

  • JVB66
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    edited March 2018 #18

    As with most peoples take on thingswink

  • ABM
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    edited March 2018 #19

    Back  to  the  Point

      Apparently  Captain,  Vice  Captain  &  a  team  member  have  been  ordered  back  home,  Pronto,  but  not  so  fast  that  the  Gallows  won't  be  ready  on  the  tarmac  !

  • Extugger
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    edited March 2018 #20

    A one year ban for Captain and Vice Cpatain and 9 months for the man with sandpaper.

    Howzat?

  • ABM
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    edited March 2018 #21

    Not  Out  !  Should  have  been  life  without  the  option  !!

    But  there  again  I'm  Old  School  on  this  sort  of  thing.

    I  hate  &  detest  Footy  common  taters  saying  stupid  things  such  as  "He  took  one  for  the  team"  as  if  deliberate  fouls  were  permitted  in  the  rule  book !  They  are  CHEATS    with  nothing  good  to  say  for  themselves  unless  it's  "  I'm  retiring"    and  the  same  should  apply  in  Cricket  &  all  other  games !!

  • papgeno
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    edited March 2018 #22

    What about the sheer stupidity of stuffing sandpaper down your trousers😭😱

    My big bugbear is footy commentators saying so- and- so "won a penalty" Penalties are not there to be "won" they're in the gift of the referee for fouls in the area.

    The one last night was nailed on but it took the VAR to spot it

  • dmiller555
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    edited March 2018 #23

    Why not issue pre-tampered-with-balls to everyone? 

     

  • Extugger
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    edited March 2018 #24

    But surely that would involve the Russians in Test Cricket?? winkundecided

  • ABM
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    edited March 2018 #25

    Sob  I  sob  saw sob  on  sob  tv  sob  that  sob  the  sob  arch  sob  villain  sob  has  sob  given sob his  sob  first  sob  interview  sob.

    Great  big  jessie,  did  those  nasty  cameramen  upset  diddums  then,  never  mind  he'll  have  plenty  of  time  to  go  and  feed  the    muggers  then.

    Now  the  pressures  on  the  lads  back  in  Oz  the  coach  has  thrown  his  toys  out  &  is  packing  up  after  the  second  Test  Match.  Probably  realised  he  will  now  really  have  to  rush  to  get  his  version  in  print  first.

  • ABM
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    edited March 2018 #26

    Now  that  could  be  arranged  but ,, ,, ,, ,, ,, ,, cry

  • Kennine
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    edited March 2018 #27

    What is it about international cricket. When caught cheating the Big Girls Blouses get themselves filmed weeping their eyes out.   Man up,!! you were caught cheating-- live with it. 

    smile

  • Extugger
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    edited March 2018 #28

    A real case of crocodile tears? laughing

  • Spriddler
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    edited March 2018 #29

    The regret and sobbing merely reflects their sadness at all the income they're going to lose. Pathetic. I'm sick of seeing all manner of interviewees blubbing and sometimes apologising for being 'emotional' but no doubt it's considered good T.V. by some presenters and producers. 

    Most high-profile sports have been tainted (ruined even) by T.V. and sponsorship income.

    On Radio 4 today an ex pro footballer from the 60's was saying that soccer used to be a sport played by a team of enthusiasts for the team, but nowadays some sports are regarded solely as a route to a celebrity lifestyle and an opportunity for personal wealth.

    It's a job to know whether one is ever watching untainted sporting events. 

     

  • Bakers2
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    edited March 2018 #30

    Such a shame that the regret and tears have come too late. Maybe thinking about the consequences before committing the tampering would have saved both. 

    I agree with Spriddler about what passes for top level sport these days. Our son was offered a chance for a team but we denied him as we'd seen others pushed and then dropped - the heartbreak they suffered was awful.

    I'm cynical and expect the regret and tears is for the lifestyle and loss of earnings etc 

  • ABM
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    edited June 2018 #31

    Well  the  Sins  Of  Oz,  have  just  received  a  5==0  whupping  from  England +/-  in  the  50  over  version  of  the  game  and  nary  a  player  with uber-shiny  studs  in  their  boots  --  Brian's  wondering  if,  to  use  that  awful  modern  and  untrue  phrase,  " Lessons  have  been  learned "

     

     

      ooops  sorry  for  the  typo  that  should,  of  course,  have  started  :--  the  SONS  of  Oz  wink