#3500 lives – what are your tips for safe driving?

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  • Hallsontour
    Hallsontour Forum Participant Posts: 199
    edited September 2017 #62

    Join your local group of Advanced drivers, have a little tuition and take your Advanced Driving test. Not only do you get instruction on safer driving but you'll also learn to drive in a way that is better for your car causing less stress and better fuel economy. 

    I know everyone has their own views about their driving standards but if you're really serious about being safe and good for the environment then do something positive about it 😊 Go for your Advanced test, you're never too old to learn and pick up new tricks.

  • geoffeales
    geoffeales Forum Participant Posts: 322
    edited October 2017 #63

    Drive according to the conditions and keep a safe distance behind the vehicle ahead. As a young PC many years ago I attended a road traffic accident between a car and motorcycle. The road was covered in black ice and as no one was seriously injured I didn't report either of the drivers. On return to the station my sergeant gave me a right ticking off, "there's no such thing as an accident, if both drivers were driving/riding according to he prevailing road conditions this collision wouldn't have happened". I'll never forget that lesson!

  • cyberyacht
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    edited October 2017 #64

    The trouble with black ice is that you don't always know it's there. That was always more worrying when I was on two wheels although four doesn't help much more.

  • lornalou1
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    edited October 2017 #65

    accidents do not happen, they are caused

  • Ricochet
    Ricochet Forum Participant Posts: 18
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    edited October 2017 #66

    After driving around 50,000 miles a year every year for the last 50 years all over Europe, (Not in a lorry) I am possibly qualified to make the following observation.

    To save lives remove politics from the road. Any 13 year old physics scolar can tell you that Speed Does Not Kill. It is the DIFERENCE in speed that kills. As long as politicians with are allowed to reduce speed limits throughout entire counties in an ad hoc manner. Place Hazards in the middle of main trunk roads (speed humps).

    Both the above make our roads far more dangerous than necessary by causing inappropriate speed differences between vehicles.

    In the first instance you get the following instead of drivers driving at the appropriate speed for the road.

    1) The drivers who religiously stick to the limit as indicated by their speedometer. (Normally about 10% below the actual speed of the vehicle.

    2) The drivers who have accurate speedo's  and stick to the limit.

    3) The drivers who know there are no speed cameras along this stretch and drive at the appropriate speed for the road.

     

    Consequently you have at least 3 levels of speed instead of one, with at lest 2 of the drivers eyesight glued to there speedo,s instead of the road.

    In the instance of speed humps you have the same situation where some drivers, correctly slow to a walking pace and avoid ripping there tires on the edges, mixed in with wide wheel based vehicles, busses, vans, lorries etc. that can straddle the humps and can be travelling at a speed difference of 25 mph to the cautious drivers.

     

    I have gone on too long already. However I do feel strongly that the club should do everything in its power to lobby for a complete rethink of safety on our roads.

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  • DaveT
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    edited November 2017 #68

    The only relative constant is the car/caravan combination or the motorhome. The big issue is Human Factors which relates to issues that many respondents have already eluded to. In other words, making sure you are rested for the journey, not distracted with the vehicle occupants, nor distracted using the plethora of gadgets available to the driver. Sadly, the authorities seem to be maintaining their stance of ensuring that we keep our eyes glued to the speedo as opposed to be driving within the limits of the vehicle and the prevailing conditions. As always the attitude is treat the symptoms of accidents instead of the root cause. As long as someone is fined or prosecuted, revenue is generated then box ticked. So I guess the common sense of our club members suggestions are all good, just remove the human and put a machine in its place. Just be aware that being a human being is not good enough for the authorities.  

  • triky auto
    triky auto Forum Participant Posts: 8,690
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    edited November 2017 #69

    undecided As in Yachting/Boating,,,collision avoidance  !! surprised.

  • LeTouriste
    LeTouriste Forum Participant Posts: 348
    edited November 2017 #70

    This advice has been around since the year dot.  My instructor said that it was only relevant if you yourself don't also drive like an idiot.  For myself, I am permanently self-critical of my own driving standards.  The list of DO's and DONT'S is almost endless.  Among the top ones are, for me:

    (1)Always drive within the speed limit for the road.  (2)Don't treat the limit as a target speed - a lower speed is regularly needed for safety.  (3)Drive at a good distance from the vehicle in front - this reduces the blind spot angle ahead and gives you more clarity of what's happening ahead.  (4)When waiting for oncoming traffic to clear for you to turn right, keep your front wheels pointing ahead - in the event of a rear shunt this will prevent you from being pushed into the oncoming traffic. (5)Do not rush up to junctions or up to vehicles waiting in front - any sudden mechanical failure, or your foot slipping on the floor controls, can greatly reduce your ability (time) for you to correct things.  (6)Do not change lanes without signalling and be sure to allow following drivers time to react, and ensure they are giving way before completing your manoeuvre.  (7)Always give way to an aggressive driver, even where you should have priority. Any stubbornness on your part which results in a collision makes you as bad as that driver.  (8)Always ensure that your vehicle/outfit is maintained to the highest possible standard. 

    I am sure that everyone can think of many more equally important suggestions.

  • BorderBounders
    BorderBounders Forum Participant Posts: 1
    edited November 2017 #71

    Read the book Roadcraft, the Police Advanced Driving bible, if you can learn the principals and use them correctly you will be efficient safe and amoungst the best drivers on the road.

     

  • LeTouriste
    LeTouriste Forum Participant Posts: 348
    edited November 2017 #72

    Many years ago I bought a book issued by The Police Foundation, called, "Towing Roadcraft - The essential Towing Handbook."

    Very informative, and a guide which I found exceptionally worthwhile to study.  I did once offer to loan it to a fellow caravanning friend, and he turned the offer down with the observation that, "after all these years, reading the book would be a waste of time."

    He took offence to my reply that, "When the willingness to accept that it is never too late to continue learning, and that one's driving standard stagnates once the conscious effort to 'do better' is discarded."

  • Mitsi Fendt
    Mitsi Fendt Forum Participant Posts: 484
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    edited November 2017 #73

    Spot on

  • Alan237
    Alan237 Forum Participant Posts: 13
    edited February 2018 #74

    Totally agree with this post particularly the first para. Driving should take all of your attention. If members ever get the opportunity to drive on track days on a race circuit or take up any other fast racetrack driving opportunity; it really demonstrates to you how much concentration is required, and if applied in normal driving, really assists your overall driving skills.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • Merve
    Merve Forum Participant Posts: 2,333
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    edited March 2018 #76

    Don’t think I’ve used my legs so much for a long time- well, since last season anyway David. We have walked everywhere to do our shopping, doctors etc and really enjoyed it while the car sat in the garage out of harms way! It really is worth the effort- and I’ve lost weight- what’s not to like!🤣🤣

  • tigerfish
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    edited March 2018 #77

    This relatively new 3,500 kg weight limit has snuck up on me without thinking!

    I was a Police advanced driver and remain a member of the I.A.M. and have driven since 1962 with a clean Licence and no accidents. But I left the Police Service almost 20 years ago now and in truth didn't really worry about the new limits, they were only for very big rigs - or so I thought!

    But I'm 73 now with a few aches & pains, the same as everyone else. But setting up my big Coachman Pastiche 565 is getting harder and both the Aquaroll and the wastmaster have got much heavier of late!

    So I had the brilliant Idea of exchanging my big Merc Tow car and the Caravan for a Motor Home instead.  No winding of steadies and no fetching & carrying of water.

    But the Motor Home salesman looked at me and said that I had to only look at MH's up to 3500 Kg's.  That lurking snake in the grass had bitten me!  

    I suppose that I can find a MH to suite, but the whole thing got me thinking, - What's the combined weight of my ML and caravan?  I bet that its close to that?  Ooh er!  Better check I suppose!  Don't want to get into trouble at this time of life!

    TF

  • EmilysDad
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    edited March 2018 #78

    My R Class (think ML crossed with a people carrier) and Coachman 620/4 weigh in at around 4 tonne.

    Don't you just need a medical to retain your B&E 😞

  • tigerfish
    tigerfish Forum Participant Posts: 1,362
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    edited March 2018 #79

    Yes, Found the regs now and I have retained my B+E.

    What does seem strange is that at apparently at the age 0f 70 you lose your C1 - light goods, the category that the majority of MH's fall under.

    So as I read it, - at 73 I can continue quite legally to  tow my heavy trailer behind my equally heavy car.  But I am no longer permitted to drive a MH over 3,500 Kgs, - some 500 Kgs less than my car & Caravan ??  Seems odd in some ways when you think that a heavy caravan rig is more likely to become unstable that the MH.

    Ah well it pretty academical in my case. I have not yet decided to change & if I do so it will be in the Up To 3500 class anyway. its just intriguing. 

    TF

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited March 2018 #80

    Have you checked this out, TF?

    https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/advice-and-training/advice-for-beginners/driving-licences/

    At 70 you can drive a vehicle of up to 3500kg all up weight and tow whatever that vehicle is legally allowed to tow. 

    That is one reason MHs of 3500 are very popular although some have totally inadequate payload allowances.

    Also, if the unladen weight of a MH is below 3050kg (repeat 3050) then you can drive at the same speed limits as cars and use the outside lane of a m/way providing you aren't towing.

    Happy to help any time.

     

     

  • Outdoor Lady
    Outdoor Lady Forum Participant Posts: 127
    edited March 2018 #81

    My tip don't be distracted by loose dogs or children, make sure they are all securely buckled in or in crates...Hmm children in crates, why hasn't anyone thought of that before.surprised

  • redface
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    edited March 2018 #82

    Don't drink.

  • tigerfish
    tigerfish Forum Participant Posts: 1,362
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    edited March 2018 #83

    Thanks TW.  Good to hear from you!

     

    TF

  • Kennine
    Kennine Forum Participant Posts: 3,472
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    edited March 2018 #84

    Before starting your engine -- Switch off your phone and fasten your seat belt.

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  • Roger8259
    Roger8259 Forum Participant Posts: 4
    edited August 2018 #86

    I adopt a " I'm on holiday" approach to traveling. I plan my route, even googling the final approach to make sure its not too narrow. I drive at a speed I feel comfortable and try to think a head and behind. I'm watching my mirrors for that lorry ot tanker that is going to cause the snake or the boy racer that is going to cut in front of me causing me to break harshly especially going down hill. 

    When planning my trip I allow extra time and work out a rough time frame allowing for trafic and the extra weight and my traveling speed. Good luck campers

  • Wildwood
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    edited January 2019 #87

    Having dealt with many thousands of motor claims in my life the basic accidents are due to people turning right accross oncoming traffic, pulling out of side roads and running into the back of the car in front plus  pedestrians being hit.

    Basically all are usually down to lack of concentration or not leaving sufficient room between you and the car in front.

    You get the odd idiot overtaking when it is not safe or jumping red lights but that is something usually down to silly risk taking and impatience. There is very little you can do about the people who do this or drive drunk so it is really a risk of driving.

    Concentrating on the road ahead and not getting distracted by passengers or changing radio programs, or cds or operating heater or other controls is easily the main point here. Under no circumstances drive while tired, as that is possibly the worst thing where concentration is concerned.

  • Lambdrover
    Lambdrover Forum Participant Posts: 14
    edited July 2019 #88

    Observe

    Risk Assess

    Drive

    This is how I plan my journey. I look at what will have an impact such as weather, road condition, type of road, road traffic etc etc.Then I approach my journey accordingly. 

    My father taught me to have 360 degree vision which simply means being fully aware of everything around you. 

    Of course when towing we need to have that extra spatial awareness over and above other road users.

  • cyberyacht
    cyberyacht Club Member Posts: 10,224
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    edited July 2019 #89

    Judging from the way people drive, spatial awareness is in a forward facing ninety degree arc extending about twenty feet beyond the bonnet. frown

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2019 #90

    I tend to drive towing or not, by treating all other road users as learners and expect them to be unsure of what they are doing,it seems so far in the 60yrs i have held a full licence to have kept me out of any real problemscool

  • peedee
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    edited July 2019 #91

    this is what the seven girls said:

    Keep your mind on your driving
    Keep your hands on the wheel
    Keep your snoopy eyes on the road ahead

    laughing

    peedee