Dog Walkers need to take responsibility
This isn't an anti dog rant but an anti dog owner rant. On Saturday, on a nature reserve a dog savaged a Muntjac deer, and when I say savaged I really mean it. The rear end of the deer was in a terrible state and had to be put down. I have photos of the deer but decided not to post them.
There was a witness to this act so hopefully the owner will be prosecuted but it's very likely the dog could be put down. I've often ask dog walkers to put their dogs on leads in nature reserves only to be told to F*** O**.
If your on a nature reserve or on an area of ground nesting birds please put your dog on a lead.
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I agree 100%. The Nature reserve maybe need to be more pro-active here in the Warden presence or even banning Dog walkers. These Dog owners will continue with their foul attitude of allowing/encouraging their Dogs to attack the wildlife as they just don’t care. The Dog no doubt will forfeit its life due to the idiocy of its owner. Wildlife has more right to live than Dog Owners have to allow their charges to wreak carnage.
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It's an awful shock to witness an event like this Oneputt. I have witnessed a sheep attack. The owner received a control order and had to pay all the vet bills etc. The dog wasn't put down, the owner was responsible for the lack of control. However, under other circumstances a farmer could have shot the dog.
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Horrible Horrible thing OP and you point about the owner, not the dog, being responsible can't be argued.
Out of interest what breed of dog was it and what was the owners reaction.
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A report here but it does not mention the breed.
https://pennyshotbirdingandlife.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/muntjac-deer-savaged-by-dog-at-holme-nwt.html
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Horrible thing to happen Oneputt, we have dog owners here who think it's fun to let their dogs chase the deer in the fields by the canal
get the same response as you if you ask them to stop! Also watched one irresponsible owner let their dog chase the sheep on the NT Wimpole estate a couple of weeks ago, we were too far away to say anything, annoyingly!
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Good OP Oneputt I am appalled that owners allow their dogs to commit such dreadful acts.
The OP has raised a very important point. Responsibility of dog ownership.. Too often on this forum we witness members raising similar points regarding the importance of owners responsibility and it is met by accusations of "Anti-Dog" by those so called owners who are in complete denial about dogs being allowed to behave in an antisocial manner.
The dogs are not to blame -- The blame lies with selfish and anti-social owners.
K
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Err, no. You’ve clearly misread the posts in other threads, K.
Time and time again people have decried irresponsible dog owners for allowing their pets to behave in anti social ways.
The posts that are called anti dog are those by people who simply want a dog free existence and pick on the smallest point to shout for the banning of dogs.
I’m sure we all agree with the sentiment of the OP which is in no way anti dog and appreciate the need to take responsibility for our own actions and those of our dogs.
This really isn’t the place to introduce anti dog or anti CT poster comments although you tried hard.
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My thoughts as well TW, a very thinly disguised attempt at causing another unpleasant debate. Apologies to the OP for going off thread briefly.
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K - I think you've missed out your latest buzz phrase "those in denial" in your latest attempt to cause ill feeling and division. so sad that a "responsible and caring dog owner" should continue to do this. Please stop.
Oneputt - I think you're absolutely right to raise this subject. I can never understand why dog owners are so careless and thoughtless towards their own animals to put them in such an environment, quite apart from all the obvious damage they can, and on this occasion, have done. Ours are always on the lead and walk calmly in unfamiliar areas and any area where there is likely to be other wildlife. They run free and mix with other dogs quite happily in the large fields near where we live and on the beach and dunes when we go to Cornwall. I wouldn't dream of letting them off where they might cause damage to other animals or humans - I'd be so worried about the consequences for them apart from anything else. Hopefully, as you say, some action may be taken against this individual owner, but I fear for the poor dog involved more.
Edit - just re-read K's first post. Careless of me to have missed that buzz phrase!!
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Such a shame OP. We witnessed a dog nipping at a sheep one time up in Coverdale. As responsible dog owners what did we do? It was too far away to do anything with the owner or dog, so we did what any responsible dog owner should do. We drove up to the farm, and told the farmer. He grabbed his gun and shot off. We left on our way home, no idea of the outcome, but know we couldn't have done anything else.
I am getting heartily sick of seeing and hearing some of the reports about poor dog ownership, which is very upsetting no doubt to others like us, who are responsible owners, who do care for our pets and have respect for others without dogs, or others impacted by bad owners. I would have no issues with laws making it more difficult for any idiot to just go out and obtain a dog, but the reality is that it just won't happen, at least not in my lifetime. People don't think hard enough about taking on a dog, they buy from illegal breeders, they pay stupid money for "designer breeds" which fuels a lot of the problems. Dog does something wrong, or becomes an issue in terms of lifestyle, and bingo, it's either dumped on struggling rescue centres if it's lucky, or something far worse if it isn't.
There's a huge percentage of the human race I could cheerfully do without in truth. Cruelty to animals, be it as uncaring owners, or stupid idiots allowing dogs to injure other animals, is just the thin end of the wedge of lack of respect towards life in general.
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I was in the car park of a nature reserve last October having a bite to eat and a cuppa after my wander around. On the gate was a large sign which read all dogs to be kept on a lead within the reserve. I did see several dogs and not one on a lead.
As I was packing my gear away a couple pulled up at the top of the car park and out popped a setter type dog who was well behaved, quiet and appeared to be very calm.
As they approached me I felt compelled to compliment them on being the only owners who had followed the signs and put their dog on a lead.
The response was a surprise.
It is only to ensure his safety through the car park, nobody takes any notice of the signs.
Then they let the dog off lead and it bounded down the path and out of sight.
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Excellent post TTDA. It sums up perfectly what we, the caring and responsible dog owners feel about those bad owners and those who think that there is nothing wrong with such antisocial behaviour.
Sharing your life with a cannine friend is one of the joys of life and we owe it to that friend to teach him/her what is acceptable and unacceptable behaviour. This takes much time, persistence and love but is well worth it when the job is done.
K
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K
Can I just add, that to a Caring Responsible Dog Owner, the "job" is never "Done".....
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Fisherman.
You also fail to make clear that this total, (and I agree that it's unacceptable) is from 2013 to now.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/scale-dog-attacks-livestock-north-14319272
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One thing that (according to some collie rescue centres) was not mentioned by by the anti dog welsh "farmer?" is the way that collies are often having to be rescued from the terrible,conditions that some welsh"farmers?"collies are kept,,it is on a par with how they are treated in Ireland,
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Calm down people.....It's only a forum - not real life.
Surely no sheep would be injured and farmers would not need to protect their flocks if the title of this thread was followed correctly. i.e " Dog Walkers need to take responsibility"
Taking responsibility means that their dog is completely under control at all times. If that means that the dog has to be on a lead so be it. Antisocial behaviour by dog owners is unacceptable and I would hate see any dogs being shot. But --- It's not the Farmers fault that a dog or dogs have been let loose to worry and kill his sheep.
K
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You’re immune AD, you don’t have red neck tendencies👍🏻😊
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As I understand it, Rocky is saying you’re not a gun toting cowboy out to shoot dogs on sight.
Did you think it was an insult? Far from it.
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In fairness, if I were a farmer I'm pretty sure I'd be frustrated and annoyed at any incidents involving thoughtless and careless dog owners on my land.
As a dog owner and walker I know that I get frustrated and annoyed at thoughtless and careless farmers who deliberately obstruct footpaths, fail to maintain stiles and fail to reinstate footpaths after planting across fields.
Fortunately in both cases incidents are relatively uncommon but utterly wrong where they do occur.
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This discussion has got very heated and posts have been removed. As people have had the opportunity to post I will now close this discussion. I fully appreciate that this is a topic members are very passionate about and thank you to those who have kept the conversation on track and posted constructively.
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