Caravan Club Insurance, Beware changing medication

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We are shortly due to go abroad on an extended holiday.  Decided to use their insurance as we both have some relatively minor health issues and hate all this going through our helth and medication questions, because it really gets my better half really upset. The Red Penant states no questions.

My wife has just had her blood pressure medication reduced, so advised the insurers as per their handbook.  Now she is not covered for fourteen days for blood pressure, also now have to through a whole series of medical questions.  

Surely if you arrange insurance with a company, they should not be able to change its parameters. Currently my wifes blood pressure has just gone through the roof, and she has got really upset by this.

The result of this practice also encourages people not to go to the doctor in case they change their medication, which I find very wrong.

If one of us is slighty unwell the day before travelling, and our medication is changed.  We are not insured for fourteen days whilst we are away.  What the !!!! Are we paying for.

We have requested our money back, which I believe will happen, so at least the insurers have retained some credibility.

Have gone back to Eurotunnel Insurance. Their policy is, if your doctor says you are fit to go, then that's okay.  

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  • Tammygirl
    Tammygirl Club Member Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭
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    edited February 2018 #2

    Never heard of Eurotunnel insurance, thanks for posting.

    We stopped using Red Pennant a couple of years ago for various reasons, now we have cover through our bank.

  • DavidKlyne
    DavidKlyne Club Member Posts: 13,867 ✭✭✭
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    edited February 2018 #3

    We had the same situation last year and ended up cancelling our holiday abroad. The way Red Pennant do the medical side is quite generous compared to many but there seems to be a lack of common sense with changing medication. Margaret was on a reducing regime of a certain medication for a Rheumatic condition, so hardly life threatening but because the medication changed every month they were unable to cover that condition. The downside of going elsewhere is that whilst they may cover the condition they will also charge you for every condition so the price can be very high. When you have several conditions it really mounts up. At least will Red Pennant, if they are prepared to cover you, they don't charge extra. I think there could be some extra flexibility with RP with such things but that would mean the price going up.

    David

  • Oneputt
    Oneputt Club Member Posts: 9,145 ✭✭✭
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    edited February 2018 #4

    This is the type of issue where it would be helpful if a champion working in the Insurance department would post a comment letting us all know why reducing medication would have an effect on the policy

  • DavidKlyne
    DavidKlyne Club Member Posts: 13,867 ✭✭✭
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    edited February 2018 #5

    Oneputt

    I do agree that it would be useful to have some information direct from those that control/design the policy. I suppose the problem is because they only ask a handful of fairly simple questions if flags up a difficulty when you can't make a positive answer. When I was speaking to them they did contact the underwriters who were the ones that refused. They did offer a phone number of another insurance company that would cover us but I didn't follow it up as I imagined it would have been even more expensive than Red Pennant and I would have still needed the breakdown cover which on its own is only about £40 cheaper so the chances are I would have ended up paying nearly double. They would have covered us for all the other medical conditions but it would seem complete folly to me to travel with only partial cover. Whilst perhaps unlikely how would you know in advance whether the condition not covered might contribute to something else and you end up having an argument about payment for treatment. Perhaps one way round this issue would be for Red Pennant to cover such conditions as changing medication but only under the Plus cover?

    It would be very interesting to know how many claims are made under the medical cover for people with no declared medical condition compared to those that do. One would have thought that there are a lot of people taking medication for common conditions who are in a better position than those of people who have no idea whether they have such conditions. It always surprises me that one of the questions is not "Do you have regular medical check ups at your doctor."

    David

  • cyberyacht
    cyberyacht Forum Participant Posts: 10,218
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    edited February 2018 #6

    Let me get this straight. If there are no medical questions with Red Pennant, how would they know what illnesses you have and whether any medication is taken or changed? Either they cover everything without enquiry or they don't.

  • SteveL
    SteveL Club Member Posts: 12,311 ✭✭✭
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    edited February 2018 #7

    I would assume if you make a significant claim you would have to provide information from your GP. In the same way when I claimed for losses after my mums death her doctor had to fill out a form to say I would not have known it likely to happen when I booked the holiday. If your doctor had recently changed your meds he would have to declare it.

  • Metheven
    Metheven Club Member Posts: 3,987 ✭✭✭
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    edited February 2018 #8

    The policy can be read online before taking out the insurance, it does indeed ask these questions in written form, and when you speak to the advisor when taking out the insurance.

    If any of the questions are answered with a 'YES' then you are asked to accept a telephone call from the insurance providers medical team, so before a RP policy can be taken you are most certainly questioned on any medical issues.

    It also states that a change in any medical or medicine condition that the insurance provider be notified, where I believe a short period must pass where that condition is not insurable.

  • DavidKlyne
    DavidKlyne Club Member Posts: 13,867 ✭✭✭
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    edited February 2018 #9

    Unlike most travel insurance quotes where you have to list the conditions and then answer a quite comprehensive questionnaire Red Pennant just asks four or five general questions like have you received any treatment for certain conditions in the last xxx, has any medication changed in the last two weeks. There are a couple more questions but generally if you can answer no to all the questions they will insure you without and further drilling down into the detail. So if you have conditions like high blood pressure which is being controlled by regular medication which has not changed in the last two weeks they don't want to know any more detail.

    David

  • Caravan Han
    Caravan Han Forum Participant Posts: 87
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    edited February 2018 #10

    Hi everyone,

    Many thanks for your questions. Please see the below response from our Red Pennant Insurance Team.

    Hannah

     

    Hi all,

    I would initially like to offer our apologies to bdpage that following the change in medication RP is no longer the insurance of choice for your upcoming trip. 

    Here at the Club our Insurers are happy to offer full cover for pre-existing conditions with no additional charge as long as you are able to answer no to our pre-screening questions. These questions are set in such a way that we are only screening members where absolutely necessary and apply at inception or at any point up to the date of your trip, as stated in the policy wording. If you have answered 'yes' to any of the questions then you will be referred to the Club so we can further understand the medical conditions and make a decision as to whether or not the medical condition will be covered or excluded. 

    We currently don’t offer an additional premium to cover an existing medical condition that has been declared as part of the screening process.

    From a health point of view, a change in medication or a reduction in medication can be viewed as a positive change. From an insurance point of view however, the reduction in medication means that there are changes to the way in which a condition is being managed. What could previously have been viewed as stable and successful treatment plan has now become an unknown. This increases the overall risk linked to the existing medical condition which is why we need to take another view on it.    

    The period of 2 weeks is set as any ill effect of the change or reduction in medication is most likely to happen during this period.  After this duration if there is no need to amend the medication further then full cover would continue.  

     

  • DavidKlyne
    DavidKlyne Club Member Posts: 13,867 ✭✭✭
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    edited February 2018 #11

    Hannah

    Thank you for providing a reply on this topic. As I mentioned up post like the OP we also had our holiday plans ruined because the lack of flexibility. I would be the first to praise the ease in which RP go about looking at medical conditions. For those with stable medication it is a boon compared to other insurers. I have no idea how many people this situation applies to but I would have thought rather than having to refer members to an alternative insurer Red Pennant should be flexible enough to cover such occurrences even if an additional premium was required. Looking at it from a business point of view if people have to go elsewhere because they feel the Club have let them don't it's unlikely they will be back at a later date especially if they have found a good alternative elsewhere. 

    David

  • lagerorwine
    lagerorwine Forum Participant Posts: 310
    edited February 2018 #12

    Hannah, Most of us book RP months in advance of departure. What would be the situation if a medication was changed more than 2 weeks before departure (eg. 3 weeks as an example), and then continued at the new level?

    Is this a reportable occurrence that RP needs to know, or is it relevant only within the 2 weeks prior to departure?

     

  • DavidKlyne
    DavidKlyne Club Member Posts: 13,867 ✭✭✭
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    edited February 2018 #13

    In the Red Pennant brochure I have it clearly states that

    " You must advise the Clubs Administration Department if any of the above questions apply between taking out this insurance and booking your trip or date of travel. Failure to do so may result in your claim being refuse"

    The questions being the ones you were asked originally. I tend only to take out RP no more than a month before the holiday but I tend to use Club Card points for Eurotunnel which I imagined are not covered by RP?

    David

     

  • ValDa
    ValDa Forum Participant Posts: 3,004
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    edited February 2018 #14

    Money Supermarket now have a page  for comparing prices for those with pre-existing medical conditions.  I haven't tried it yet, because we currently have a policy which does cover us, and it's not too expensive, but when it's due for renewal we will try this comparison, especially as OH has a 'milestone' birthday just before our renewal.

     

  • ValDa
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    edited February 2018 #15

    I've  just tried the process, and it's easy and quick - because our 'conditions' are fairly uncomplicated, and there are five insurers who will cover both of us for all of our 'conditions' but alll only for 31 days.  There doesn't seem to be an option to extend the cover for longer holidays.  Quotes vary, with £150 between the lowest (2 star) and the highest (5 star).  I'm just going to check levels of cover - but these quotes don't include winter sports, or cruising!  

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  • iansoady
    iansoady Club Member Posts: 419 ✭✭✭
    edited February 2018 #17

    Hi Val.

    That's lots more than it costs us with our Nationwide Flexplus - just over £100 extra per year with a couple of fairly common conditions. Ages 68 and 72. Of course there's the monthly fee but that reduces to around £70 / year if we keep £2,500 in the account and for that we get the excellent EU-wide Britannia breakdown cover.

  • ValDa
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    edited February 2018 #18

    Yes, there are lots of plus points to having a bank account which offers 'free' insurance, but not everyone has one, and of course circumstances (and conditions) differ.  Does the Nationwide actually cover you for pre-existing conditions or exclude them? Most policites exclude them - though you have to notify them of those conditions - but these insurers actually COVER you for pre-existing conditions.  

     

  • DavidKlyne
    DavidKlyne Club Member Posts: 13,867 ✭✭✭
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    edited February 2018 #19

    Apart from the situation with the changing medication not being covered  which I think RP has to address I have always found Red Pennant to be reasonable value compare to others I have tried. Our days of spending months and months away are probably over but we live in hope that we can still get the odd month or two away every now and again. I would be tempted to use Nationwide cover as we have a Flexaccount  but unfortunately for our conditions they load the extra premium so much that there is little if any difference. I also like the idea of a joined up policy that RP offer.

    David

  • lagerorwine
    lagerorwine Forum Participant Posts: 310
    edited February 2018 #20

    I find insurance policies a bit of a minefield of small print, and usually give up, when I try to compare different ones,so I guess many like me think they have cover, when in actual fact they may not.

    I'm averse to spending more than is necessary, but although I already have annual travel insurance, and a car that has european cover provided by the manufacturer, I have still taken out RP for peace of mind, as I always worry, that there will be a 'gap' somewhere between the two policies I already have!

    I think the 'gap' revolves around cover for any caravan mechanical issues whilst touring, but I could be wrong.