Alde wet heating v blown air

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  • KjellNN
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    edited November 2017 #92

    There is no fan with the Alde system, the fluid is circulated through the radiators by a pump.

    (actually there is a fan, but it sits in the gas exhaust system)

    We carry a small electric fan heater for emergencies, so could use that to circulate air if necessary, but have only resorted to that when our air con stopped cooling one year.

  • Trini
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    edited November 2017 #93

    We have the Alde heating in our current van, now 3 years old and find it far better than blown air which we had in a 2 berth previously esp as we use the van all thro the year.

    Whilst we were away last week the mother board failed and replacing it has cost over £400 so a possible consideration?

     

  • Boff
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    edited November 2017 #94

    Actually Alde do list a fan that sits behind a convector to force air through it as an option.  This can be run independently of the heating so would act similar to the old Truma system which did have the advantage of moving the air about on hot days 

  • KjellNN
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    edited November 2017 #95

    We had to have ours replaced last year while in York, it was 8 years old.  Mobile engineer came out to  the site, cost was £258,  I though that was bad!

    The actual fault on it was very minor, so I kept the old board and replaced the failed component.  Whether it will actually work again is another matter!

     

  • KjellNN
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    edited November 2017 #96

    Thanks, had not seen that.  However I think we will stick with using our separate fan heater, knowing the cost of Alde parts.

  • Boff
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    edited November 2017 #97

    We have one fitted. It came with the van.  I am racking my brain but I can’t remember ever using it in anger.  I was just being a pedantic smart Ass. 

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  • Heethers
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    edited November 2017 #99

    You need to set the heating to off and then turn the fan on to your desired speed to have cool air, we set our fan on the lowest keeps it just right, if its a really hot day increase the fan speed. If you look in the manual it tells you how to do it

  • Heethers
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    edited November 2017 #100

    Belero boy is correct, l must have turned the water temp off,l can't remember doing it, will do it next summer. As l have said its in the manuel

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  • Boff
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    edited November 2017 #102

    One of the concerns, I had when we first got the Alde system was the heat up time.  Upto now we have been very impressed.  However it hasn’t had a real hard test where the caravan has cooled down to well below freezing I’m not sure how long it would take in that circumstance.

    I have stated before I believe that all these heating systems are very dependant on the quality of manufacture.  So if you have an hot air system with long runs of uninsulated ducting outside it isn’t a recipe for success.  Likewise with the Alde system a manufacturers literature will tell you that the boiler is capable of an output 8kW or what ever it is.  But what I have never seen quoted and I have no idea in my own van is the ability of the system to use and distribute that heat output, ie the capacity of the convectors fitted.  

  • ocsid
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    edited November 2017 #103

    "But what I have never seen quoted and I have no idea in my own van is the ability of the system to use and distribute that heat output, ie the capacity of the convectors fitted.  "

    Important in that is the ability of the convectors to convect, such as how free circulating is the air to and from them. Not putting them in bed lockers where bedding can be restricting the air flow, but in the void of double bottomed and sided lockers, their placement being carefully optimised to augment the chimney effect. Getting adequate off the side air vents pinches the inter bench spacing, upsetting the stylist so not well addressed in the "design".

    Sadly I think the builders only real focus is to get the word "Alde" in the sales brochure, not the product correctly installed in the van'motorhome. But then I feel in this industry there are many examples where they are not employing "designers" just "stylist" in all the engineering design decision making.

  • Boff
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    edited November 2017 #104

    Entirely agree with you.   I have seen convectors in bed boxes unguarded, therefore candidates to be damaged.   But I do sometimes think that the positioning of a sticker saying Alde inside or whatever has more thought put into it than any other aspect of design and installation  

  • crannoghome
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    edited November 2017 #105

    Many comments about cold spots in Truma-heated vans may be because they haven't experienced Isotherm, the behind-the-seats warm air ducting fitted to recent vans like our Lunar.  We've been in ours when it's been freezing outside and haven't had any cold spots.  Also, I think the blown-air system is more suitable to smaller vans with shorter ducting runs. 

    It seems that Truma systems are used in the budget/middle ranges while Alde systems are almost a necessity in the upper market segment.  This may be a marketing ploy or a means of justifying a higher price tag.  Interesting the number of commentators who have an Alde system but carry a fan heater 'just in case'. 

    I can't get excited about either system as I think both fulfil their primary purpose well.  When choosing a new van there are many other factors which are more important to me.  However, if pressed, I'd go for a modern Truma system because it's lighter, cheaper and maintenance-free.

     

    Edited for schoolboy grammar errors!

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2017 #106

    Interesting the number of commentators who have an Alde system but carry a fan heater 'just in case'.

    When I had a blown air system I carried a fan heater just in case as well. Whatever heating system to me a back up is a no brainer in cold weather as is ensuring sufficient gas in case of a power cut.. 

  • xtrailman
    xtrailman Forum Participant Posts: 559
    edited November 2017 #107

    Same here ET.

    Belts and braces can save an holiday. I also carry a gas cylinder that hasn't been used for years, just in case of a power cut, or fridge element failure, had both in the past.

  • dmiller555
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    edited November 2017 #108

    That's what hotels are for. wink

     

  • DSB
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    edited November 2017 #109

    One little thing.  If you have Alde heating and you want it to warm up by using electric, make sure you switch it to 3amp and not 1amp.  We found out yesterday.... 😀

    David 

  • SteveL
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    edited November 2017 #110

    I think you mean kilowatt David.

    Also make sure it is on. In our Bailey it has a separate switch. So although it shows ON at the control panel, that is not necessarily the case. A couple of times we have set up and gone out hoping to come back to a warm van, only to find it cold.😂

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2017 #111

    3amp and not 1amp.

    We know what you meant David wink

  • KjellNN
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    edited November 2017 #112

    Like others, we have always carried a back up for whatever type of heating system we had, not just Alde. Being prepared so the holiday can continue is only sensible, especially if you venture abroad.

    Our spares also include a water pump, a battery charger, a water connection hose, a hook up lead, a Truma regulator, lightbulbs, fuses,  and  an assortment of small bits and pieces that are often needed.

  • DSB
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    edited November 2017 #113

    .....  OK folks.  I meant kilowatt not amp.  I can't even blame that on to predictive text - just old age!!! 🤣

    David

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  • EasyT
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    edited November 2017 #115

    Actually the back up fan heater uses very little ................ in the dinette under seat space where it lives for most of is life. undecided

     

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  • EasyT
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    edited November 2017 #117

    Yep, but as I said ours uses very little in the seat box at the dinette. 

     

    How many kilowatt for a 16 amp supply? Depends on actual voltage!

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  • EasyT
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    edited November 2017 #119

    I simply reckon on 3.5kw to allow for voltage fluctuations on sites. 

    If 16 amp I set Alde to 2kw. If 10 amp 1kw. Never need to thimk beyond that. 

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  • EasyT
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    edited November 2017 #121

    Seems no dafter than suggesting that somebody might use a 3kw alde, 3 kw kettle and a fan heater at the same time ....... more than the once!

    I wonder if anybody does use a 3kw kettle surprised