New rules on wild camping in Wales??
Thank You DK
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I agree with the recent comments on the report about respect for farmers and not letting the countryside become a playground. I disagree with wild camping because all land belongs to someone and permission should be sought and not expected as a right.
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To me wild camping is defined as camping with a small tent, generally away from roads and civilisation. Preferably with the agreement of the landowner, even if in law they cannot object. I have never considered utilising a MH can be considered wild camping and should be made illegal, on all but authorised aires and sites.
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Two things I have never seen -A dead donkey and a happy farmer. For all the subsidies they get and have had for decades, more open use of "wild" land is necessary. No mention of M.Homes in the story!! At Castleton the paragliders come off Mam Tor and don't seem to cause any problems to farmers when they land. Likewise anyone doing long treks across the mountains of Wales should be able to pitch a tent. It happens all the time on the Penine Way with no problem and on the west Highland way. The story has no relevance to M.Homers stopping off road, I dont think they drive through gates on to farm land in any case.
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Might not mention it F, but unless it specifically excludes it, some will exploit the situation. You only have to look what happens in some parts of Scotland.
I have no issues with back packers being able to pitch tents on open country. However, in cases where there is a farm nearbye I still think it polite to request permission if practical. Although I am not suggesting someone descends a mountain to do so.
The paragliders on Mam Tor are not allowed to utilise certain take off / landing spots during lambing. Hopefully these sort of restrictions will be written in to any Welsh legislation.
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I have read it properly F and therein lies the problem. Give more access by all means, but clearly define the parameters. The legislation that allows wild camping in Scotland has more shades of grey than the average colour chart. I have not found anywhere anything prohibiting the use of a MH, although the wording does imply light weight tents away from roads.
However, surely F unless you support wild camping in MH's, you would not have a problem with your assembly making it clear to all that MORE access did not include MH, or caravans for that matter.
Oh I just noticed I used the word restrictions, re the lambing time on Mam Tor and par gliders. Surely you are not quibbling about that?
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THe discussion moved to wild camping by M/H. Nowhere in the article did it refer to M/H/. During the lambing season the RAF does not restrict its low flying here so we and the animals get used to it. As a farmer and landowner I have no problem with additional access and will accept that some wi[l abuse it.
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Agreed, I introduced MH's as any discussion of this type needs to included them, as they are in some areas a problem.
I think the problem with the hang gliders is that unlike the RAF they don't just fly low, but take off and land. I would assume that is more of a problem than the noise. I don't suppose it is really any different to a closed season for fishing.
I am not sure all farmers would be as understanding about abuse of their land. I for one appreciate the access we are given and don't have any problems with reasonable restrictions, or re-routes, agreed by the National Park or other bodies.
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Wild camping in wales, never had a problem all above 2000ft out of site of roads or house's, any thing else is not wild camping in my opinion, urban cowboys taking a free bee on the lower ground.
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I'm not use what the problem is. Wild camping, even parking your motorhome in a quiet layby, has been legal in Scotland for quite a few years. I don't recall any huge problems other than irresponsible people camping near Loch Lomond. The vast majority stay a night or two, leave the site as clean as it was when they arrived and cause no trouble. Whether it's legal on not won't stop the irresponsible doing what they want and leaving the place like a rubbish dump.
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