Filling my Fresh water tank.
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Biggest + 1 ever.
These are the rules and position as present. At the risk of sounding unsympathetic, if you do not agree with these rules or the club's position on this then you will really have to go elsewhere.
BTW this is not aimed at Artyboo who pages and pages back accepted the position
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The clubs response is of course spot on and long may they avoid being drawn into pampering to the small but over vocal minority on here who seem to think that members who pay for club sites should be providing something on the cheap for the small minority of motorhome owners too tight to pay site fees.......(often after lashing out tens of thousands of pounds on their van).
Just come back from a week on a club site in the North of England, not school holidays yet (where I live anyway.....) and the site was full all week except for one vacant pitch I could see.
The Club needs to focus on aquiring more sites for those of us willing to pay for them, not get diverted into supporting wild campers, many of who's behaviour only brings a bad name and hence more restrictions on motorhomes.....
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Rowena, thanks for your response. I understand and agree we don't want constant posts from staff, but why are questions to staff on Facebook invariably answered within hours but in the main ignored on here? Are the club using more people to monitor FB?
Maybe the Report button should be renamed Ask Staff For A Reply button as on every forum I am on/moderate on the Report button is for reporting the contents of the post for abuse etc.
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Surely it is not beyond the wit of man to build a small, fenced off area outside the main camp site, controlled by a barrier which is operated by a £2 coin?
'simples'
Later, as inflation causes the costs to rise, the admission fee can be raised to £3, then on to £4 etc.
That would seem to cover most of the needs listed above.
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The Clubs stance is not unexpected, what I find disappointing is the Club hides behind the point that making any changes will encourage wild camping. What will encourage wild camping and drive members and potential members elsewhere is the lack of choice and the cost of pitching. What they should be doing is tackling these issues to encourage people not to go elsewhere whether it is to other sites or wild camping. Sad to say, I find nothing encouraging in the response which earns the Club the right to call itself the Caravan and Motorhome Club. I just don’t see that making a service available to the few members who may require it, for whatever reason, is going to encourage wild camping.
peedee
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Thank you, Rowenna.
So there you have it, chaps (and chapesses). Book a pitch, arrive after 1pm, pay your dues and fill up, empty down, visit the toilets, the showers, the play area even, buy an ice cream and off on the road again. No need to actually stay overnight.
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Erm..... not all wild camping is illegal, and the well organised tourer can survive and enjoy the odd day getting very close to nature and impacting upon it minimally. All down our 30 years of touring, with tents, Caravan and now MH we have occasionally found a quiet spot, safe enough to pull up, have a meal and maybe get our heads down for a few hours. On one memorable occasion in the wilds, (Wales, for those interested) we were woken at around 2am in the morning by a pair of very nice Police Officers, who were just checking we were ok. They apologised for disturbing us, and made sure we were not woken again by other Officers! We had suffered horrendous delays, couldn't reach our intended destination and found ourselves falling asleep at the wheel, in the days long before mobile phones and online site lists! We also had a regular pull in in the Cotswold, off the beaten track, quiet and safe. Far nicer than a service station. Now of course many pubs are happy to accommodate MHs overnight for the price of a meal. I recognise that this isn't for everyone, and that there are a small minority out there that spoil things for others. It is also easier to find a site whilst on the move nowadays as well, so CL stopovers are more our norm nowadays. Many will accept arrivals far later than the 8pm on Club Sites with prior warning.
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Peedee, i wish i could predict the lottery numbers with such certainty
of course, letting a few members (not just any old 'wildcamper') top up with water or empty their toilet is neither condoning nor encouraging wild camping...its about providing a service.
however, no worries, as those who 'really do wild camp' probably wouldn't go within a mile of a CC site and will get their water where they usually do.
this thread was about allowing a member (for their own reasons) a tank of water...
the two points couldnt be farther apart.
i now have to think very seriously about renewing my membership with that most heinous of organisations.....C&CC....the one that allows members to fill with water and therefore condones 'wild camping'
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Absolutely brue, I agree a big problem, and not fair on local residents. I don't consider that to be wild camping, free loading is more the description I would choose. I think of wild camping as finding a truly wild spot, on one's own, just to enjoy the peace, quiet, scenery and wildlife, and leaving no trace of having been there. True wild camping isn't about cost or savings, it's about experiencing something very different.
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The bottom line is that the club does not wish to condone wild camping, or seen to be associated with it in any shape of form and it's policy at present is what it is. When joining any club you weigh up if you want to agree and abide with any rules, policies and regulations and procedures. Then you join and abide by them (like the OP). Is this too simple a view?
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Why on earth would anyone think they would support 'wild camping ' to the detriment of losing valuable income........ the CMC are running a business after all .
The sites we have been on so far this year , have been pretty much full .
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true, David, but its also those very (lucrative) prices that are driving some away.
many comments/threads have been made on CT suggesting that members have had to turn to other forms of camping due to club prices being driven beyond their reach.
no doubt the well heeled will just suggest they 'go elsewhere', which is what is happening for some.....'wild camping' perhaps
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Yes the cost of a night's stay must break the bank when you've paid thousands for a MH
Wild camping (for those using a MH) is a lifestyle choice rather than from saving costs? Discuss.
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This is said very frequently but in my experience it's just not true.
Caravan ownership in my area is flourishing as young families are snapping them up second hand. There are also plenty of older campers being bought, bongos being high on the wish list.
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corners, yes, it probably is too simple a view
many folk join clubs, groups, parties (political or otherwise), organisations etc, etc....which have a specific set of rules or a constitution...
however, the world is a moving feast, perspectives change, views alter, opinions get debated......and then, by agreement, things (policies) change....the supporting rules change to reflect this new view.
of course 'we all know the rules' but it doesnt mean that every one of those rules are still applicable, especially as many refer back many years and may be outdated now.
i agree that the club has reinforced its policy on 'filling' and it wont change it (for the time being) but, whether you like it or not (and you clearly dont) opinions on certain policies do change over time, perhaps based on the changing requirements of ones members (the customers).
the club has publicly declared that the demographic of its membership is changing, so much so that it felt it warranted a complete rebrand and mission statement, showing it to be a younger, more family orientated organisation, that realised that more MHers than ever before were wanting to make use of its facilities.
surely this means that the club will be making changes to various offerings, services, policies and (whisper it) rules to reflect the changing path it has decided to take.
it may take looooooooonger than in other organisations to complete, but change is on its way...
modern businesses must evolve or die in todays marketplace, recognising the change in its customer base is a start for CC.
putting in place the process changes to support them is the hard bit, certainly for an organisation that seems to find change 'difficult' to manage and implement.
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agree, Jay, vans can be bought for a reasonable price these days, my daughter and SIL have just got one, but a 'running cost' of '£25-£35' a night is still a hefty outlay to find.
its nice to see some of our well heeled contributors dismissing this level of fee as 'breaking the bank' and making a joke of it.
i can assure those who hold the same view that young families find £200 odd a week for a pitch a fair chunk of their cash.
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(and you clearly dont)
Please don't tell blatant lies BB, if you read carefully through my posts you will find no reference from me saying that I am against this policy. I have stated that it merely exists.
I'll save you the trouble (page 10):
I have no standpoint on wild camping or whether or not the club should provide such facilities.
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Modern society does have a I want it now mentality. Even if I can't really afford it. A Caravan, even a second hand one, is a significant outlay. Then there is the cost of insurance, possibly storage and maintenance. When we were a young family the only way we could have afforded a caravan was on credit. So we opted for tents instead, at a fraction of the cost. We could then afford the campsites, rather than overextending on the accommodations and not being to afford the rest. At the end of the day you make the choice, nobody is forcing anyone. It is not a case of the well heeled dismissing anything. Just a case of folk living within there means.
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corners, read what i wrote....
"whether you like it or not (and you clearly dont) opinions on certain policies do change over time"
i was referring the the fact that you 'clealy dont' like change, based on your hundreds of responses to any suggestion of change, ever since ive been a member.
you seem determined to be 'hurt/offended/upset' (and make a big play of it) by just about any thing posted in that vein these days.....please dont be so sensitive to robust debate
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Steve I agree to some extent and I made no comment about the well heeled dismissing anything. We also started with a tent and saved for the caravan which cost less than half of the previous years fortnight in Kos to buy, service, insure and kit out.
Seems to be the same pattern with those I know locally.
My point is that there are loads of young families with vans but they don't tend to join this club so their contribution to this forum and on site is not necessarily representative
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