Filling my Fresh water tank.
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Yes. It would be a reasonable solution. Facilities have to be paid for. At the moment the service points are paid for by both trailer caravan members and motor caravan members. If trailer caravan owners want to dump their waste without using containers, they have to pay extra for a fully serviced pitch. We all want the facilities we want so if we're all getting them, we should all be paying for them!
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Putting aside the practicalities, at many sites, of constructing a service point near the entrance. Plus of course the expense. The service pitches and MHDP are totally different products. On a service pitch you are paying for a permanent connection if required. The MHDP is just a drain and tap to be used when required, just like all the other service points.
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M, why does the club providing a fill/dump service have anything to do with occupancy rates on CLs?
those who wish to use a CL will still use them, those who wish to use sites will still use them, those who wish to use THS sites or similar will still use them.
those who wish to make use of a fill/dump service will just make use of it if available....it wont change their camping style.
does the thought of such a service have you thinkjng about adjusting the number of nights ypu spend on your chosen type of site....
of course it doesnt.
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When you arrive on site you could if you wish fill your fresh water tank. Lots of motor caravan users do this and keep it topped up by adding a bit frequently ( they don't all have such large tanks). Similarly some motor caravan users drain a bit out of their grey waste tanks while on site bu using a variety of containers including wastemasters. When you leave the site you would dump your grey waste as always. The subtle difference is that if you want to dump a grey water waste tank directly, you would pay the fee, just the same as trailer caravans are doing.
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I'm on my way to Devon this weekend , I could set up my toilet so we can use it for the long trip down 220+ miles .
I could always stop off at Cheddar CMC site to empty it ...................👍
Couldn't I............😇
After all I am a member
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The point of issue here is providing a service facility for motor caravans which could be used by those not staying on the site. It can be done if the club/ its members want it. So the question is who pays? Well, who pays for the service points used today? All the members pay for it. Who pays for a fully serviced pitch? Only those using it? How is that fair?
Im all for the clubs equitable attitude towards motor caravan and trailer caravan members, but only if this equality is equal.
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Just go back to what the OP said at the start of the thread, BB - stopping the first night at a "wild spot" and asking why the club does not provide a service to enable this. The alternative, of course, might be to stop on a CL - CL owner gets a bit of extra custom, customer can do what is required. "Win - win" isn't it?
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That would depend on which X-site you were measuring from. There is not the same number of CC as there are C&CC so they can't be paired off.
Perhaps it would be easier to think of "least" distance - I'll bet that somewhere there is nothing between them but a hedge.
Anyway - I think Q-sites are far more interesting.
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It worked too
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I'm done here
. To all you Motorhomers-my heart goes out to you, not only are you fighting for equality against an intransigent C&MC who are paying lip service to the MC(Motorhome Club) part of their name you are fighting against a section of the C&MC that jealously guard their perceived position in the C&MC. Good luck-geez you'll need it
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Rocky - I think you're being a bit harsh there. I don't think many have said categorically that this shouldn't be possible at some time in the future. What has been pointed out are reasons why it's not just a straight forward "let them in" position at present. And some suggestions that might help the OP on this particular trip.
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a good summary of 'CC world', Rocky.
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...but those who wish to camp will still do this, irrecpective of what (little) the CC do.....
similarly, those who (always) use sites etc, will still continue to do so...
do you see folk like Corners or Tinny or JVB rushing off to the wilderness just because CC started dispensing water to members.
yeah, right
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if the service was offered then yes, of course you could, youre a member.
was there ever a suggestion that the toilet waste had to come from a self propelled vehicle
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I'm not sure how on earth that statement can be deduce from what I wrote, BB. Where did I imply anyone wouldbe less likely to use CAMC sites if this was allowed at some future point?
My point was that using a CL was a feasible alternative to stopping at a wild stop and would enable the OP to do what was required.
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+1 to this as well as the post by Steve
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Within hours of the launch of the new name this very issue was raised on Facebook and one of the club staff stated that there were no plans to introduce this service in future.
This is what lies at the heart of my dissatisfaction with the club. Apparently the name change is in response to member feedback. Apparently the new aims are to simplify our touring experience. Apparently the change is required to reflect the increasing numbers of MH owning members. Yet things like this (and booking Hardstanding) that have been requested as being of benefit aren't going to happen.
Frankly I need more than buzzwords and new logos to convince me that the club is member focused. We're five months on from the relaunch and I'm yet to see any change in the same old same old that this club does so reliably
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For various reasons almost every Caravan Club site is now available to the general public, so any additional service would need to be also.
Just letting people onto a site would create so many problems, not least with the Public Liability insurers saying a very big "NO!". There would be disproportionate costs for staff having to monitor what was going on, and having to take action against any who went and parked on a pitch and said that now they were there they would stay as long as it suited them. There are plenty of other difficulties in the thread above.
So probably the only sensible solution would be to introduce a "afternoon charge" for the use of facilities. This would have to include all facilites such as laundry, waste and dog emptying, water fill, showers, everything in fact as the wardens have better things to do than chase "day" people out of parts of the site. And admission could only be during the normal post-1pm arrivals session with departure by 8pm.
Not all sites have the space to accomodate caravans not on pitches, especially trailer caravans, so there would need to be a system of a sign at the entrance to show when the service was not available, which would not suit people arriving on chance and desperate to "go". I would suggest making the facility bookable but we all know the booking service can't handle hard standings so this would be well beyond the capabilities.
The charge would need to reflect the use that could be made of facilities, the additional waste collection charges, increased wear and tear, and the additional warden work, so at least 1/2 of the overnight pitch fee would be proportionate, with the usual £10 extra for non-members.
The only thing such a scheme would not address is resistance from local residents and their elected council representatives, so that would need to be addressed nationally by a high profile press and publicity campaign to show that the Caravan Club was working to address the problem (real or imaginary) of caravanners "wild camping" and dumping wet and dry waste all over the countryside. That might be justifiably funded as part of the great annual publicity spend, on the basis that some people might join the "Club" because of visiting sites.
But the really contentious point would be whether these "afternoon people" would be entitled to buy a site plaque!
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A big +1
do you see folk like Corners or Tinny or JVB rushing off to the wilderness just because CC started dispensing water to members
what?
The club doesn't offer this for whatever reason, if it chooses to then that's fine too.
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Yes, good post
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m, i was responding to this....
"if you were a CL owner, surviving on very narrow margins, and you knew that the club was providing a service which might discourage folk from staying on your site, what would your reaction be?"
where you clearly imply that the club would directly influence those staying on CLs by offering a dump/refill service....your word....'discourage'
my response was that folk wont be influenced at all, they will do what they always do......camp where they normally camp...
all is being suggested is that folk can use the service without staying on the site, not changing the way folk camp.
perhaps you had forgotten you posted the above....?
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