Filling my Fresh water tank.
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no, but there is a difference between policing something and aiding a possible illegal activity? Or an activity that the club does not wish to promote, for financial or other reasons, or wishes to be associated with. Again speculation on my part .
Btw I have no standpoint on wild camping or whether or not the club should provide such facilities, I'm just pointing out the above interpretation.
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Did you want the 5 minute argument or a 10 minute one?
The CC has a duty to itself to maintain a public image and also not to antagonise members of the local community by its actions at club sites. Supplying wild campers with water etc could be very much antagonising a local community where wild camping takes place.
Wild camping has been an issue on the approach to Brighton CC. Should those wild campers also be allowed on site to service their outfits?
It is not a matter of policing actions of members.
Wild campers are more than capable of making their own provisions.
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As the CCC do offer such facilities, are there no CCC sites along your chosen route? here an interesting question, what's the greatest distance between a CAMC site and a CCC site?
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Land's End to John o' Groats I would guess.
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Whether it is 'all about wild camping' or not is debateable. If not wild camping how much water does one need to make a brew etc?
The perception is that the need to take on water is because there is no such facility at night halts. Whether they be wild or not. There are areas in the UK where motorhomes staying overnight for several days is seen to be a problem taking up parking availability and having environmental impact. For CC to be seen as supporting this in anyway is ludicrous. CC need the good will of local authorities and communities and this is no way to achieve that in my opinion.
These people are not using club sites and the club has no reason to support them.
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Lost my edit! I was going to add that in some areas motorhomes staying overnight is seen as reducing available parking and a detriment. Not all overnight wild camping is what I would consider to be inconsiderate, irresponsible or problematical. However there are examples where such concerns have led to height barriers, and parking restrictions.
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These people are not using club sites and the club has no reason to support them. Your words ET.
I'd say the CC has a very good reason to support them-it's called being a paying member of the CC. Does the much vaunted 'duty of care' not apply to all members or is it just the Caravanners?
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I wonder what would happen if a member of the public broke down in their car outside a club site and just wanted a can of water to top up the radiator so they could get on their way ,I think I know what the answer would be ..."got recovery ain't ya", or along those lines
P.S some one has just come in my shop to ask if they could top up their dogs water bottle ,of course you can , and no they didn't buy anything,it's all part of my service to the public
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When I joined the CC it was with the expectation of being able to use their sites and CL network. Do you think that I, as a caravanner, would be treated differently to a motorhomer and thereby allowed on site to empty waste and loo, top up water, dump rubbish etc ??
The answer is no.
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I didn't phrase that too well. I meant that the are usually CAMC and CCC close to each other in a given area. if you're staying at a CAMC site X what is the greatest distance you have to travel to the nearest CCC site Y.0 -
If you knew the answer & gave it, it wasn't really a question. In reality you were talking to yourself & getting answers ET, a worrying development indeed
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I may have missed it but I can't recall seeing any one post about commercial sites offering this service. On other threads the call is for the CAMC to move with the times and emulate these commercials in aspects like specific pitch booking. However, in this matter they do not appear to be offering this service. If it was such a good idea, didn't cause any problems, bought them goodwill or a small profit, surely they would.🤔
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There is a simple solution. Provide the service point at the front of the site and charge a fee of £5. Remove the existing service points from sites. Members wishing to use fully serviced pitches may do so if they chose. This is equitable to motor caravan and trailer caravan members.
At the moment, motor caravan members may chose between disposing of grey waste and topping up fresh water daily by using a small container daily, or by using a service point. Trailer caravan members may chose between disposing of grey waste and topping up fresh water daily by using a small container, or paying the additional cost of a fully serviced pitch.
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Test.
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In order to provide facilities to both motor caravan and trailer caravan owners, I propose the following solution.
Club provide service points at the front of sites, and charge £5 for each visit. Remove the existing free service points from sites.
Members with motor caravans have a choice at the moment between using the service point or using small containers to top up their fresh water tank, drain their grey waste.
Members with trailer caravans also have a choice between using small containers to top up their fresh water and drain their grey waste, or paying for fully serviced pitches.
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That was exactly the point I made way back on page 5 Steve! As with so many of these "things must change" debates, it's not as clear cut as some would have us think. Whilst I can quite understand the frustration about what seems a straight forward and reasonable request being denied, it is not a situation unique to CAMC sitesby any means!
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Alan, if a 'service' such as being discussed were available, surely it would be available to any member who wished to use it, like all other club offerings.
Does the CCC stop caravanners from dropping in for a shower for £7?
of course not, so why the persistent 'animal farm' comparisons.....some members being more equal than others?
if a MH paid for the service, would this still be unfair to caravanners..?.
why so devisive?
ISTM there is much evidence that this is still the Caravan Club, through and through.....just like a stick of rock.
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Just to throw in another example of why this is not as clear cut as on first sight -
if you were a CL owner, surviving on very narrow margins, and you knew that the club was providing a service which might discourage folk from staying on your site, what would your reaction be?
(Please note, I'm not trying to take one side or other here, just posing the scenario!
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