Filling my Fresh water tank.
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'Others to cater' I don't see someone who needs water who then goes on to fill their tank without input from anyone(self service) being catered for ET. It hurts no one, impacts on no one. To deny someone this need(to me) is the epitome of small minded & selfish in the extreme. They are not wanting your personal supply, they deny you nothing, yet you would deny them
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Whilst in principle the idea seems a good one, there are a number of potential problems.
1. It would not cost nothing, as some have stated, 100 litres of water does cost something, however small.
2. What sort of take up would there be? If too many it could cause congestion at MHSP's, blocking up the site and annoying those who are paying £30 a night.
3. A lot of sites don't have anyone on reception from 10 to 12 / 1pm much of the year, so provision during these times would not be possible.
4. As it would not be possible as stated in 3, it could add to congestion at reception during normal arrival times. A problem on some sites.
5. Depending on numbers partaking the extra trafic on already crowded sites, particularly at peak.
Clearly it would not be possible to achieve at all sites and you would have the problem of folk turning up at those where it was not on offer, expecting to be able to fill / dump. The only way it would really work at present is by appointment, you ring the site and arrange a time convienient to both. This could be done the day before. Aires in France seemed to charge about 3€, so this sort of charge would seem about right.
Other than that they could run a trial. However, we all know how that one ended.☹️
The high priced C&CC offer, just seems to be a way of them being able to say, we are providing this service, knowing not many will take it up.
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So, some members say NO to pulling in and topping up with fresh water from a "club" you belong to, but how many of these are quite happy to pull in to a motorway services and just use the toilet and not contribute to the services !!!!!!!
I don't see 100's of motorhomes every day using this service if it was provided, maybe a couple a week
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At this moment in time there isn’t the facility the OP wants from club sites & only HO can give the correct answer as to why this is so. There are various solutions to the O.P’s situation suggested in this discussion. Hope they are helpful to the OP.
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It could not be entirely self service Rocky! CCC sites are barrier controlled. Saff input required to admit and ensure that they exited. On sites were it was in true demand this could also cause a problem with local populations. If you don't wish to use site facilities then do as I would and go elsewhere. SIMPLE.
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It isn't about me ET, I'm not a Motorhomer but I am an altruist. I refuse to accept it's anything but bad to attempt to deny someone a commodity when it doesn't impact on others negatively. I accept you & I are never going to agree on this so i will bow out rather than go in circles-enjoy your day
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We do generally buy something, usuallly lunch if they have an M&S. However, there is a significant difference. They have to provide free toilet facilities as part of the deal of being there.
As for numbers. I see that as part of the problem. Nobody knows. As I said fine in principle, although a lot of things are that but don't work in practice. It could be some sites in some locations would have a high take up.
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steve, much of what ypu say is correct but mainly down to poor (modern requirements) site design and lack of a decent customer service approach.
cost is irrelevant as members would pay either per fill or for an annual 'add on' to their subscription........or, better still, have it included, like 'free wifi'
i don't think the take up would be huge. either way, congestion is only a result of poorly designed and sited MHSPs. they need to be positioned sensibly out of the way of other users. many sites we have used have them totally away from the main racetrack of the site roads.
the reason water dispensers 'work' in other places is that they can be fed a 'jeton' or token to activate the supply. any 'paid up' member could collect a few of these and have one to hand. cost in grance is generally one or two euros.
however, this would incur extra expense, far easier to do the sensible thing.....man reception when customers need it.....all day.
its about time the CC did 'flexible'.....after all, this is one of the main differences in MHs, you know, the things CC are trying (but struggling) to embrace..
making an appointment to fill with water is frankly laughable....
rather than dreaming up 101 ways to 'not do something' why dont folk ever put in as much effort to consider 'how to make something work'?
goodness me, this is about a member calling in to one of their own sites and putting a hose in their fresh water tank for 5 mins....
you'd think the martians had landed
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making an appointment to fill with water is frankly laughable....
rather than dreaming up 101 ways to 'not do something' why dont folk ever put in as much effort to consider 'how to make something work'?
goodness me, this is about a member calling in to one of their own sites and putting a hose in their fresh water tank for 5 mins....
you'd think the martians had landed
The reason for my suggestion was that it is something that can be brought in immediately with no cost. More or less everybody has a phone and coverage is mostly OK. What is so difficult about ringing a site the day before and checking that between 10 and 11 there will be someone there to admit you.
Yes better designed roads and MHSP's would be very nice and hopefully new sites will incorporate these. However, at existing sites any improvements will cost and are going to take years. Even personing reception all day will incur additional expense.
As ET says most sites have a barrier, so someone needs to be on hand to let you in and out. Perhaps in the future you might be able to use your CAMC card to swipe in and out, and even pay for your water. Unfortunately not yet, and probably not in our lifetime.☹️So the slight inconvieniece of making a call would allow wardens to police numbers and make the service available immediately. Sites offering the service could display a symbol in the book or on the web site.
Some such as Baltic Wharf would clearly be unsuitable. As more than 2 vans waiting to use the MHSP totally blocks the site. Also very tight sites like Berwick. However, there are many where it would work and could bring in a bit of extra revenue.
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Just as a point of clarification, the £7 levid by the C&CC for motorhome owners to pop in is at selected (suitable) sites only and includes full use of facilities, e.g. you can have a shower if you so wish. My own opinion of this is it is OTT for most owners but it does mean site managers can let people onto site and forget about keeping and eye on them to see they are not cheating. I have never even considered using this facility so don't know if it is available to members only? I don't need to use the facilities block but might consider using a service point at a cost of £2/3.
peedee
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I'm not sure it's quite as clear cut as some would have us think though - although I admit I speak as a caravanner and, these days, only occasional user of club sites!
I can absolutely understand why an individual member might feel aggrieved at not being able to do this. On the other hand, we often read criticism on here of the club needing to be more businesslike and model itself on some of the newer "chains" but, as far as I'm aware, they don't provide this service either. In fact it could be argued that providing this service would be counter productive if it resulted in members simply using it and heading off, not stopping on site. (Might be a positive if it freed up pitches?)
I'm guessing that it might well be a service provided at a cost some time in the future, but for the moment, obviously, an alternative will have to be found elsewhere!
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" ...to trot out the (now ever more popular line) 'go elsewhere' reflects poorly on the club ..."
BB - just as an aside, as one of the great advocates for using THSs, Haven, Morris sites etc etc, why does it seem to irk you so much when others suggest that alternatives to club sites might be more appropriate? Just asking!
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Everything has a cost!
I like to use a service pitch, when they are available. In using one, I pay a premium (and happy to do so)
Doesnt mean that I use any more water than on a standard pitch using an aquaroll. In fact I could actually be using less and there it less chance that I may be pouring away half an aquaroll of water, at the end of my stay.
I'm sure that day when our water usage will be metered, will come. Then there won't be members having an issue with members not staying on a site, filling and emptying tanks.
Likewise, metered electricity will remove the moans of car battery charging as diesel and petrol is phased out.
The biggest issue I can see with members visiting sites to service their tanks, is the additional traffic that members actually staying on a site will have to endure with this type of action.
And for the record, I'm not instigating the installation of meters of any kind!
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you many have missed my explanation of this very point to my old 'mate' JVB....
he couldnt seem to grasp it, i expect you'll do better....
i have long been an advocate of sampling other offerings, even encouraging others to try different types of site, here and abroad....'go elsewhere' and try other places/sites to 'round' your experience....
however, the 'go elsewhere' comments we get on here are more than what ive alluded to.....they generally have a simpler message 'the club isnt for you'.....which is a mile away from my advice.
i am a member of both clubs and, as you rightly say, make use of just about every type of 'camping/vanning' that I can find.
however, i would NEVER tell someone (in effect) to bu**er off, which is the gist of most of these 'pieces of advice'.
i get awfully annoyed when folk tell others with valid queries that this is the answer to everything.
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Thanks for the explanation, BB, but I do think you're misinterpreting what you understand as telling someone to "bu**er off". Surely advice as to "that's not available, here are some alternatives" is just that, however it may appear on the forum?
Going elsewhere may not be the answer to everything, but in specific cases, such as the OP's is the only relevant advice at present isn't it, however things may change in the future?
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you may interpret those sort of comments in that way, M....and you may be right in some cases, but there are certainly posters on here whose 'go elsewhere' advice is not as constructive as you suggest.
only the other day, EasyT was wondering if he might be able to secure a HS pitch at Hunters Moon as he was arrving late in the day due to other engagements...
i offered the alternatives in the immediate vicinity (Wareham Forest and Birchwood) where, should a HS be vital, he might secure one.
quick as flash, JVB is telling me that Im a 'go elsewhere' poster, like everyone else, without any (apparent) understanding of the difference between detailed constructive help and destructive 'rudeness'.
thank goodness we dont have this sort of view on the membership recruitment committee
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+1. If i tried to buy something from a shop that didn't sell it I would wander off and find it elsewhere, thinking oh well not a big thing.
If however I wandered into a shop that I knew in advance didn't sell what I wanted, wouldn't that be a bit foolish? Also if I had telephoned before and they said we don't sell that then I might be tempted to write in to their head office, but actually I wouldn't be bothered so i'd I'd just go elsewhere. I certainly wouldn't spend my time moaning about it on a website.
Memo to myself , the new Canon 6D mark 2 doesn't still have a built in flash, shall, a serious omission in my view and Canon are turning me away from buying it. That's twice they have omitted that feature. Hope they know what they're doing. Must have a moan on their forum? or maybe just buy another model that suits my needs?
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yes, its very easy to knock every poster that comes onto CT with a suggestion.....i and a few others happen to think its a good idea to allow members to make use of their Club's facilities, especially somethig as trivial as a few minutes at the MHSP.
but instead of trying to put one's self in their shoes and understanding why they have posted, we get knee jerk posts that just repeat (ad nauseum) that the Club 'couldnt possibly........' (insert OP suggestion here).....and then come up with a tranche of reasons 'why not....' all of which reinforce the 'club way' and how 'difficult' it would be to accommodate even the most trivial of change requests.
not many Change Managers in the current CT crop, ill wager.
however, im sure the OP will heed the sympathetic advice gleaned during this thread, perhaps taking advantage of some of the more practical assistance given......
despite her difficult situation, Arty (and 'boy') are getting out there making the most of their new van and, with some previous help in other threads, has really enjoyed their touring so far.
such a shame she dared ask a simple question about her (our) club offering a simple service (even at a price).....
however, thats CT for you
note to Corners.....dont buy the Canon, 'go elsewhere'
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So much for CC moving with the times and embracing Motorhome's.
Maybe this is another case for "at the warden's discretion".
The least they could do is offer the service for a small fee, after all they are fellow members.
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BB - to coin a phrase, I honestly believe you do protest too much. Regardless of your (or my) views on this particular topic, from what I can make out, many of the posts suggesting drawbacks in what the OP suggests are from members who use club sites far more regularly than you (or me). So it might be better to extend them the courtesy of acknowledging that they may know what they're talking about rather than accusing them of knee jerk reactions? Just a thought!
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We all do really have to start to admit it is really not a club at all but a commercial enterprise with a weird loyalty scheme. So to help the OP and others, any real suggestions for water?
Some fuel stations have a tap, and most caravanners have a collection of adaptors.
There is always a fire hydrant. You need a standpipe with a tap on it, and technically a licence from the water company.
Pubs have taps to water the gardens. Buy a couple of pints and fill while you drink?
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It would appear to to be simple to change a name and a logo but virtually impossible to make any significant change to existing practices.
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