Lack of rules
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If you asked someone staying on a club site whats rules there are, wonder what they would say? Certainly the peg rule, arrival and leave times? then?
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I agree there has been a significant lack of detail? I might want to stay there!
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im not saying anything of the sort.
its been said that caravans pitched (separated by hedges) being 3m apart is too close.
i dont see this as any different to adjacent occupied awnings being just 3m apart.
its either far enough to be safe or it isn't, not just when it suits.
its this difference in the spacing requirements between occupied 'units' and occupied awnings that seems inconsistent.
rest assured that (despite not having an awning nor companions to sleep in one) im extremely worried about the safety of other members with occupied awnings only 3m apart, when other occupied 'units' must be twice this distance.
im certainly not joking, and thanks for reminding me how serious this issue is....so much so that i will be raising this with the club by letter.
it will be interesting to see what the reaction will be and how quickly they can act to ensure members' consistent safety across all occupied space.
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Flipping heck this is fantastic.................
The OP suggests he has stayed on a site where the pitching instructions were left for him with no "warden" present....
In the last two years we have stayed at numerous similar sites, there is absolutely nothing new in this at all.........
eg Borve on Barra, Kilbride & Balranald on Uist & Port a Bhaige & Sango Sands and even.......yes wait for it....the CC site at Dunnet Bay
I didn't see anything new or unusual at all in the OP.....(OK not how the 2 big clubs usually operate) and it has kicked off a massive argument....
This forum is the very best entertainment there is, worthy of the membership fee alone........
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your diligence deserves credit.
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Totally agree,I wait for those upstairs to provide the answer, they might just ban awning sleepers to maintain the fire gap... now that would be interesting 😜
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Despite the site plan we were given on arrival showing the caravan rear offside to be parked closest to the peg (reiterated by the warden), there are two caravans parked front near side to the peg so that they can be awning to awning with their friends. And still within the rules.
Ironically, we're on a pitch at right angles to the rear of a pitch where I'm sure we'd be within 20 ft of each other if both parked to the peg. As it is, neither of us are.
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Never been offered any rules anywhere I have been for the last ten years. I love it like that.
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When we were on a CMC site last week 2 motorhomes were in alternate ways with there canopys out so the 2 families could sit together of an evening underneath them.....definitely not the required gap between them, if any.
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I never said a thing
While on a site in Luxembourg, which has very good sized pitches. We came back from a cycle ride one day to find we had new neighbours, nothing wrong with that apart from the fact that the front bumper of their motorhome was almost touching the front bumper of ours, (no hedges)
We had parked (5 days before) across the pitch with the trailer at the rear of the van, they also parked across their pitch. They had loads of room behind their van and an empty pitch next to them, makes you wonder why folk do things like that, especially as the site was less than half full.
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How do CC members manage on all the thousands and thousands, of sites in other countries, and many in this country, where the so called 6m rule has never been heard of?
I assume that every Aire, Stellplatz and Sosta is never visited by members?...not forgetting CLs of course!
I have never seen a comment on this forum for members not to visit any particular site, in any country, because outfits are too close so it really can't be that important?
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Surely it's not so much a question of rules but one of standards? I have been on hundreds of European sites, many are very spacious but others, usually near the coast or the Italian Lakes are quite crowded. Heaven forbid that a fire should break out in one unit, it would probably take out dozens because the way they pitch, usually across the pitch, would prevent easy removal to escape the fire that coupled with cul de sacs and narrow site roads could lead the chaos in an emergency. The fact that it may not yet have happened is no reassurance that it might not in the future. Unlike many Continental sites the Club have given this a lot of thought and I think we should be glad that they do so. After all they are making standards for 200 odd sites not the odd independent campsite, It may seem tiresome to some that they can't pitch willy nilly but I would prefer the safety approach myself.
David
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David, i dont think the number of sites to be 'managed' makes any difference at all.....if the regs are sound for one site, they're sound for all, or the regs arent good enough.
CC would have the same regs in place even if the number of sites doubled or halved.....or was a just a single site....
more to the point, what have your observations re Italian sites meant to your returning there for more holidays?
you seem to be suggesting that they are 'more risky' in the event of a fire, however, is this site (or the whole of Italy/Europe) now off your radar......or do you accept the different rules and risks?
ive certainly never felt worried/unsafe at any site ive been on, here or 'over there'.
perhaps, rather than the OPs point about lack of rules enhancing their enjoyment, some feel the difference in pitching rules here/overseas is sufficient in itself to prevent them considering a visit.
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ive certainly never felt worried/unsafe at any site ive been on, here or 'over there'.
I have certainly had serious concerns both here and over there on steeply terraced sites, where one slip or miss calculation could result in a caravan ending up on the one below. Although if the mishap caused a fire, at least in this country the spacing should prevent it spreading. 😖
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Yes +1
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Would be nice as this is UK sites and touring and the OP was talking about a UK site.
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Down the years, 30+, there do appear to be more rules nowadays on Club Sites, and you are met with a barrage of do's and don'ts, diagrams and little models upon arrival. But we have come to recognise that they are there because outfits are now so large, there are old Club Sites trying to cope with maintaining pitch numbers whilst still maintaining safe distances. May be a somewhat contentious comment as well, but there are a number of people who tour nowadays with a distinct lack of common sense when it comes to living in close proximity to others, and ensuring that they behave accordingly. We haven't used a big busy Club Site for many years, not because of the rules, more because we find some of the habits of a few not something we want to put up with. People like this need rules to guide them into common sense.
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yes. If everyone was reasonable you wouldn't need rules. QED
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Down the years, 30+, there do appear to be more rules nowadays on Club Sites, and you are met with a barrage of do's and don'ts, diagrams and little models upon arrival
Can't say I have ever been met with a barrage of do's and don'ts. Just a fairly pleasant conversation, when time allows. Perhaps a bit more formal if a lot of arrivals are waiting. We have only been using them for 12 years, although on a fairly intensive basis.
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Based purely on personal recolection I think there were more "rules" forty years ago on Club sites - or perhaps it was that the rules that existed were more effectivly enforced.
In all that time I've not seen a Caravan Club rule that wasn't what a decent chap would do anyway. So the need for rules must be because there are liable to be people about on sites who are not decent chaps.
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Agree re the arrival and book in, only ever had one that wasn't pleasant and welcoming. But there are lots of signs about, in reception, in the toilets, in the laundries, in the pot washing areas, in the information huts, around the site generally. Site information leaflet handed out that gives a lot of do's and dont's, little model of a car and caravan on reception desk. All to help those who require guidance. Not criticising it, just recall it seems to be a lot more than it used to be.
The magazine article was rather good, bit of an insight into some of the background work that takes place often unseen and unnoticed. Handy cut out and keep diagram for pitching up as well for those that might require it, jockey wheel in or out and all that!
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Booking in on one site it became clear they were tired of explaining the pitching rules to those of us who have been members for years. All I got was "You will know how to pitch by now?". It has been explained to me numerous times so I was happy with that.
On other sites the wardens now seem to have got bored with it and it has got very short. Frankly only new members really need a full explanation.
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Common sense & agree with KjellNN's post.
IMHO location is an important part of most people’s time away so“Bliss” for the OP may not be ”Bliss” for others at that particular site. There is no indication as to where the site is [or even the name]
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Smaller basic sites, out of holidays are usually lovely. But after a couple of less than restful experiences on big sites during holiday periods, we found them too noisy in such close proximity. We are not over fond of poorly supervised children and pegged out unsupervised dogs either. Then there are the speed merchants unable to judge a sensible driving speed around youngsters and other people. These are personal issues, we deal with them by seldom using big Club Sites and very rarely during school holidays.
Common problems around all walks of life, not restricted to camp sites. I got very annoyed at the prat who was playing football with his son in the Quiet Coach on the 6am train to Edinburgh one morning. Just me, dozing along in the whole carriage until they decided the journey was boring. It wasn't boring any more when I explained politely to him what a "Quiet Coach" was all about, and would they like to move along the empty train a bit! Thick as a plank, but I think his son understood. Hence the need for a few rules, and some diagrams for those who find reading boring!
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