The rules don't apply to them
It has long been a topic for much debate on here, but this last weekend whilst staying at the Pembrey site it seemed to be on the increase.
Arrival and departure times - we witnessed members arriving (and being let on) as early as 10.30am and some leaving as late as 3pm.
Purely selfish behaviour in my opinion.
You will never stop people arriving early so I have a possible solution. If there are pitches available, let members on early providing that they are willing to pay a premium equal to say 50% of their first night stay.
I don't think late departures should be allowed - full stop. Members who abuse the departure time deadline restrict the availability of pitches for new arrivals and should have a strike against their membership (similar to late cancellations). With maybe two strikes and membership suspended.
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Really ??? selfish ???? how do you know the person hasn't paid to come early or stay late I would love to get to a site early would even pay to do so as some places I go to are only an hour away from home I detest sitting around in my house waiting till I leave so I am not there before noon and twice I have asked to stay after 12 as it was Sunny I don't break the rules I ask permission ,
don't call people selfish when you don't know all the facts
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If you don't approve of the current rules regarding authorised departures then why did you join the club and/or keep going to club sites. To quote one of our most respected members:
You know, I really don't understand why people join a Club and then start trying to change the rules
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While reading the original post why do I get the mental image of a totally empty site with a warder looking at a big pocket watch and waiting until the big hand and small hand are both at "12" before letting a solitary user onto the hallowed site.
I do wish I could draw cartoons!
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OP, you know what, I just don't care. If I was on site as you were I would be doing what I came there for and that would be to relax and enjoy myself. I have better things to do than timekeep other members, tracking their whereabouts and guessing at their reasons for arrival/departure times.
Purely 'saddo' behaviour in my opinion.
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I do wish some posters - and there are only a handful - would stop using this word "selfish" to describe fellow members who may, as far as they know, have done nothing wrong! (I'm assuming that, as seems to be the norm, the wardens weren't asked why this was being allowed to happen.)
Yes, we know earliest arrival times should be adhered to, but on a large site with relatively low occupancy it may well be that folk have rung the wardens who were happy to allow members on earlier to spread the arrivals throughout the day. Or maybe there were only a handful of arrivals that day? (I'm not condoning it, I'm just trying to give a possible explanation.)
As far as departing at 3pm is concerned, that's perfectly permissable ( as per page 675 of the current handbook) and again, if the wardens know there are few arrivals expected there is nothing wrong with that.
I think it's an encourging sign that wardens, presumably with the backing of the powers that be are showing more flexibility to members when circumstances allow.
BTW, we'll be on a CAMC site over the busy Easter weekend; I don't expect to arrive early or leave late and I certainly won't be on site during the day anyway to check what others are doing!
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That's exactly why they have discretion, David, and the wardens at Pembrey could well have been demonstrating their excellent powers of control in order to give members what they wanted.
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The club didn't need to update its values or produce a fancy new logo to attract the next generation of adventurers. It needed to address the overwhelming air of negativity put across by existing members.
A quick read of CT does not make you think it could be the club for you. Unless you're wound rather tighter than normal with an urge to control absolutely everything.
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Having arrived at campsites without being reprimanded at 9am and 9 pm - and left at 9pm too- I don't need the OP to remind me why I go elsewhere. This Club and some of its members need to lighten up.
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I do wish some posters - and there are only a handful - would stop using this word "selfish" to describe fellow members who may, as far as they know, have done nothing wrong!
Agree with that totally. Posters can express their view on here but why do they insist of using insulting labels like selfish when all members are doing is following the rules that we all sign up to. Again as far we know, those leaving at 3pm as described may have asked for an authorised stay or even paid to do so. Yes they may have been staying without warden's approval (but that's the warden's problem) but the OP should get their facts fully correct before labelling them as selfish.
Likewise I cannot understand this obsessive watching of who arrives and leaves when. I arrive on site, I'm on holiday I get on with enjoying myself.
I often wonder if such 'watchers' do the same thing in hotels?
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Like many others, we have no interest in what other folks are doing on site. We spend as little time as possible actually on a Club Site if we are booked into one. Purely somewhere to pitch up safe, perhaps have a shower, cook a meal, sleep. I will admit to being mildly amused by what some folks get up to, but we don't sit around on Club Sites, we are up and off and out.
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We were at Pembrey last week and yes people did come in as early as 10:00 one day , don't know if it was agreed or arranged as I didn't ask , but the site did have plenty of spare pitches including hard standings so the wardens probably thought not a problem to let them on.
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Yes, just read it!
Scarletsfan, this all a bit naughty, flat bed lorries and a lump hammer, I bet you were flavour of the month on site....
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The rules are good as they are and managed accordingly!
The thing is, when you come across those that 'appear' to be 'late departers' on that access road, how do you know whether to:-
(a)...wave a fist in disapproval at those who are really just adhering to the rule......or
(b)...doff a cap in deference to those who have paid for the 'privilege' or
(c).....politely give way to that emergency early leaver?You won't!
In addition, there are also those fellow members who are just going about their daily trips out and about from site! Some of these may also appear to some as unauthorised late departers, and some, unfortunately, will cheerfully jump to that incorrect conclusion!
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glad others don't like being labelled SELFISH as this post has upset me with the suggestion of late leavers being penalised I am a single lady so that means I live alone so if I want to go and ask Mr or Mrs warden if I can stay a bit longer as I have nothing to rush home for then I will and BTW I have twice stayed in B&Bs in Bridlington then gone onto the CAMC site and the landlady has allowed me to depart a bit later so I arrive on at at noon
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