What Next ?
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In reality, W1, there's no change.
By 'other club' do you mean C&CC? If so, they have not split into two parts. There might be a MH section as there is a boating and a folk section which are all additional social sections members may join if they wish but the main club is inclusive of all people with all types of units.
On the whole caravanners and motorhomers have the same needs - a decent pitch, EHU, facility block, water, CDP. Sorry, but I can't agree that they are 'totally different beasts'.
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Having had both I agree 100% with TW.
Caravans and MH's are not totally different beasts. Together with our Trailer Tent friends and Tenters we are all Campers.
The C@CC are totally inclusive with all units welcome at all events , sites and meets.
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As already said where sites are proving to be popular maybe converting some grass pitches on those to hard standings would be a way forward to keep more pitches in use for all members during our unreliable weather rather than taking grass pitches out of use. Also maybe even look to see if there are any more sites which could be profitable if kept open all year round.
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Hi
going back to how to encourage younger members with children I have said before it is in my eyes wrong for a club to increase prices at school holiday periods, If it is a club then it should not follow all other commercial holiday organization and increase prices over school holiday times. To me it is just taking advantage of club members.
come on be different you can afford it now you are closing all the wonderful cheap sites, we if we want to continue with the club are being forced to use the more expensive sites not a philosophy Iexpect from a club.
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Does anyone else see the similarity of the Wall Ice cream logo with the new club logo!
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There is actually a striking similarity between the new Club logo and the original pennon which was made to represent the Club in 1907 - this is where the inspiration for the new logo came from1. I guess this precedes the Walls logo.
The original pennon was 2 C's (one reversed) with a V intertwined in the middle (the V stood for motorvehicle - they had the foresight to understand that caravans would eventually and universally be towed by cars instead of horses). The new logo is 2 separated C's (one reversed) with an M in the middle and more modern looking. I thought it was quite a clever idea basing it on the 1907 pennon, but personally I would have made it a bit bigger. Unfortunately I don't have a separate photo of the original pennon - I found it on a National Motor Museum document. If I find a way of extracting it from the document I'll post it up.
David
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Lots of people have commented on the similarity in other threads.
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That's the one DaveFL2. Thanks for posting. Something went wrong when I tried to 'Quote' your post. The bloomin' Walls logo came up so I've Deleted User the post above. Enough ice cream for one day!
David
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Quite a few "New Ideas" were put forward in the SUGGESTIONS FOR NEW IDEAS... thread in this topic folder just recently. Maybe the club could comment on a few of them, otherwise members will just be repeating themselves, a not uncommon thing on CT I know.
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Well it certainly does to me!
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You really have to be joking, there are no similarities between the 1907 logo and the latest one. There is more of a similarity with the Walls one as previously stated.
Please stop trying to defend the new logo and just accept the fact that a lot of members don't like it and are extremely angry at the way the club has conducted itself.
I would like to know if the club intend to replace the sites that have been lost and keep adding new sites in the future.
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Please stop trying to defend the new logo and just accept the fact that a lot of members don't like it and are extremely angry at the way the club has conducted itself.
Is your opinion so much better than his that he should stop expressing it!
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There is nothing wrong with saying you like or dislike something but to try and justify the new logo by making out it is similar to the 1907 logo is just grasping at straws. the main point of my post was that in order to move forward the club must accept that many members are unhappy by the way they went about the changes. Once the club acknowledge this we can get on with trying to halt the loss of club sites and the adding of new ones. To add to the present collection of sites will require money and this is not helped by the wasting (as many see it) of probably over £1m on a new name and logo without consultation.
I have stated on other threads that I don't have a problem with the name but I think the new logo is bad and is most definitely a waste of cash. It would be interesting to know just how much was spent on this and how much is earmarked to try and procure new sites. I am assuming that the club do intend to try and add new sites. I would argue this fits in with the title of this thread "what next"
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My goodness that's angry!
The point is that we are all entitled to our opinions and no one should be told to stop expressing them by an ordinary poster with no authority.
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Again 'willie', irrespective of someone's reasoning behind their opinion it is just that, their opinion with as much right to express it as you have.
My opinion is I'm happy and its fine and dandy, I can live with it as I can with anything else the 'Club' has changed. That is until the 'Club' doesn't suit my needs anymore in which case I will look elsewhere, there is no ruling that means you have to be a lifelong member you can move on whenever it is not suitable for you.
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It's great to know that folk are interested enough to express a variety of views...... as they say: 'There's only one thing worse than being talked about - that's not being talked about!' At least it's been a talking point.
I still think what we now ought to do is to channel our energy into making suggestions in order to flesh out or help shape those buzz words which the Chairman and Director General revealed with the rebranding. I have already started to take notes from this and other threads - ideas to move forward and especially to attract younger folk to the Club.
It is so easy to sit on our laurels answer to accept things 'because they've always been done that way'. It is my belief that any group or organisation should try to experiment with change. Unless we try different things we won't know the effect of those different things and will live in danger of not making progress. I would hope that the Club would not become a relic and eventually die. This is our chance to help shape the future of the Club Together with this rebranding. So 'What Next....'
David
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We joined purely for cheaper access to Club Sites, and the wonderful network of diverse CLs. Once we head overseas, then no doubt we shall take glance at what the Club offers in terms of helpful services. We have used the insurance in the past, but have got better prices and services elsewhere recently.
Club has to move forwards, or risk stagnating. In terms of "what next", I expect the Club will be repeating the COTY initiative, but it will only help the image transformation if a different format of challenges are used, and there are children, young couples, greater diversity of participants. The folks who took part last time were all nice people I am sure, but some of them were expected to take part in stuff that would never happen normally as part of their touring lifestyle, and families, very young couples were not represented at all. All very off putting for prospective new members. It was painful enough for most existing members!
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Let's make it something that attracts people to vanning rather than make it a laughing stock.
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It's good that some want to help shape the future, good on them. But I just want to arrange and plan something a little closer, like this years holiday plus a few years more and re-branding for the future holds no interest. If the service it offers now or next year is not to my liking I'll go elsewhere irrespective of the logo or 'the great outdoor' captions.
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It needs more than tweaking in truth. Nowadays, touring isn't a competitive sport, if it ever was outside of rallies. If the Club is going to have a COTY, then let it reflect reality.
Better for it to reflect getting over the obstacles of acquiring and running a tourer outfit, dealing with unexpected malfunctions and mishaps when out and about, making the most of a family holiday on a budget, and something for children to give their insights. The Club is well placed to help with these aspects, so devise something that reflects this and slant it to try and grow the membership of families and young people.
And get some young people fronting it, presenting it and selling the Club. By all means have input from on high, experience does count, but it also needs the youth and innovation element as well.
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What next?
How about reforming MayDay and Red Pennant - so that those who want a breakdown policy only for UK can still have that, but those who want a single policy covering both UK and Europe can have that as an option. My car insurance asks if I want cover in one area or both, and my caravan insurance does too, but for breakdown and recovery the Club still insists on two quite separate policies.
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Attracting younger families as I said in an earlier post, into what is to get started and then the running costs not a viable option with ever increasing pressure on their budgets ,we have been amongst a very nice rally this w/end,and speaking to several of them ,apart from almost universal dismay at why there was any need for the very expensive "rebrand"when the money should have been much better spent on keeping sites and adding more and the the "mission statements" on the 21st went to show how out of touch even the Chairman is with reality,
they said it was not often that they now saw young families on rallys two of the rallyers stated their children ,had bought large tents as they only tended to go away in the peak season,so it was a far cheaper option and they had all the "home comforts" with more space,and one couple said their grandaughter who always came on rallies with them had bought a tent for her family and belonged to the ccc as there was far more sites available for them
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I would make sure that those people who are tasked with finding out, not just what will be required but who you intend aiming it at (I still can't believe GC said he didn't know who they were but that we would be ready for them), would NOT be allowed to set foot on a CC site or CL this coming year but instead go out to a diversity of commercial sites and talk to the clientele on those sites to find out what attracted them to that site and what their perception of this club is?
That is, do market research at the sharp end.
It may well be that the existing members do NOT want to see the ethos change at all so for goodness sake ask them and don't ignore what they say, which unfortunately happens a lot.
In other words do your job, MR people and if this also entails other members of staff then get out there.
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