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  • TonyBurton
    TonyBurton Forum Participant Posts: 269
    edited March 2017 #122

    And look what happened to him!!

  • peedee
    peedee Club Member Posts: 9,387 ✭✭✭
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    edited March 2017 #123

    One of the reasons I quit "Mayday" and changed to  "Arrival" which also covers any size outfit but has the option to add annual European cover. The other was the price of RP for my size of vehicle.

    peedee

  • Quasar524
    Quasar524 Forum Participant Posts: 148
    edited March 2017 #124

    And helped no doubt by the cost of £37 to join the C&CC as against £49 to join this club ....

  • EasyT
    EasyT Forum Participant Posts: 16,194
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    edited March 2017 #125

    £12 does not seem a lot either way to me in the grand scheme of things. How is the ratio of CC sites to C&CC sites I wonder and also with regard to the ratio of CL and CS sites. That would also be a relevant point for me if joining a club as well as site standards.

    The C&CC temporary holiday sites are doubtless good value for some but would never have appealed to me as I do not head for a particular site but for a series of locations

  • Amesford
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    edited March 2017 #126

    Exactly this is the way we started many years ago tent, trailer tent and finally caravan but according to someone I spoke to on the CC sorry C&MC stand at the NEC about the changes he suggested couples with young families will be buying motorhomes because of the 1997 car licence changes undecided 

  • JVB66
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    edited March 2017 #127

    That is just what, probably the same person said to us,but had no answer when questioned as to where,they they were going to keep it,  as most houses built in in the last 30yrs or more have a problem with parking a car let alone a motor caravan,and where is the finance for the £30,000 plus leisure vehicle, plus annual storage, £600 where we live

  • DSB
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    edited March 2017 #128

    The chap from Spinney Caravans said the same thing with regard to motorhomes being sold to younger folk, at the Midlands Question time.  Apparently most were being sold under this new type of payment plan which started with cars - where you pay a sort of hire fee for the first x number of years and at the end of the contract have the option of buying or returning the vehicle - I've forgotten the acronym and what it stands for, but when I remember I'll edit the post.

    David 

  • peedee
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    edited March 2017 #129

    I don't see it as much different to buying a £20K plus caravan and a £20K plus towing vehicle.

    peedee

  • millie8
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    edited March 2017 #130

    Except in our case we already had a suitable car for towing when we bought our first caravan.  We bought a bigger caravan later and a slightly more powerful car, but it was time for a new car anyway.  If you buy a motorhome, you still need a car at home.

  • peedee
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    edited March 2017 #131

    Not necessarily all depends how far the shops are away and what public transport is like. In any case a run around costing under £8K new with low road tax is all that is required. I have a Suzuki Celerio hatchback, seats 5 and has a large boot.

    peedee

  • JVB66
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    edited March 2017 #132

    They are buying family tents and joining the "friendly club"

  • peedee
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    edited March 2017 #133

    What is your evidence for this JVB. That is contrary to what the dealers are saying, did you not read the posts above. Not all youngsters are cash strapped either.

    peedee

  • tigerfish
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    edited March 2017 #134

    To DSB,

    David, its known as a PCP or "balloon".

    TF

  • JVB66
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    edited March 2017 #135

    When with a  big rally last month ,it is what several ralliers were saying,that their children and grandchildren were doing as they could not afford the set up and running costs of c/vans or m/vans and as the cc have only limited sites with tent pitches, one stated that their granddaughter had joined the ccc and tenting is the cool thing to do, and dealers will say what they think is "appropriate"at the time

    Ps but i bet the not"cash strapped " these days are few compared to how it is spelt out by the majority 

  • brue
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    edited March 2017 #136

    The youngsters I know through our own family are either buying tents or converting vans. It doesn't seem to matter whether they are high wage earners or not, they seem to enjoy taking their families to basic sites, or sites with extras like a theme park or festivals. I don't think the average regimented CMC site has much appeal. They don't mind visiting us if we're on one but they won't be staying. wink

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  • EasyT
    EasyT Forum Participant Posts: 16,194
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    edited March 2017 #138

    As a tenter you would not join CC as you can use the CC sites with no surcharge for non members

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited March 2017 #139

    It very much depends where you do your research. If you concentrate your research on those that actually buy motorhomes rather than those that just talk about it you get an entirely different perspective. The Bailey Motorhome Owners group has about 1500 members. It is clear from what is posted on there that there are plenty of people in their 40's and 50's, ie still at work who are buying motorhomes.For many it is their first introduction to camping, unlike here where many have progressed from tents to caravans and then to motorhomes. What is also interesting is that a fair proportion of them don't know anything about our Club so it seems the management have some basis to their assertion that many motorhomers don't automatically think about joining. 

    David

  • EasyT
    EasyT Forum Participant Posts: 16,194
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    edited March 2017 #140

    What is also interesting is that a fair proportion of them don't know anything about our Club so it seems the management have some basis to their assertion that many motorhomers don't automatically think about joining.

    That is a failing on the part of CC management then. Before now, probably 20 years ago I picked up a second hand caravan from Harringtons (as was). There were brochures on display for the CC. I would have though that the club could have done a deal with the major dealers to display their stuff. Maybe even a deal with the manufacturer of new models to include a free club membership as part of the package.

    That would serve more purpose than a name change

  • JVB66
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    edited March 2017 #141
    1. Are you talking about the Bailey owners club?and from the posts and as any "survey"" gets answers to the way the questions are skewed to get the answers they want ,where as the conversations between the real customers gets a more balanced reply,
    2. ps our friends have a Bailey motor caravan and the only other club that they looked at for their mark was a "truckers club?" 
  • JVB66
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    edited March 2017 #142

    Most dealers we have been to recently only seem to have "The Friendly Club" even motor caravan dealers

  • EasyT
    EasyT Forum Participant Posts: 16,194
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    edited March 2017 #143

    Perhaps their management are more proactive rather than navel gazers who think a change of name and some buzz words unseen by many prospective members will magically increase membership

  • JVB66
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    edited March 2017 #144

    OH is on the landline to our retired warden friends,and they know i come on here "laughter from them", they have just reminded that in the past wardens were given a financial incentive to join non members to the cc and they think it was the same for dealerships , but it went when "Marketing at Grimstead" decided it was not needed,so who pushes membership now,undecided,maybe the ccc have a system in place?

  • Wherenext
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    edited March 2017 #145

     I don't think the average regimented CMC site has much appeal

    They don't do a great deal for me either.foot-in-mouth

    Just look at the average age of the Head Honchos and it's not surprising we're known as a fuddy-duddy club (polite version).

  • DSB
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    edited March 2017 #146

    Thanks Tigerfish.  I just wasn't thinking clearly the other night.  Apparently PCP (Personal Contract Purchase) is the way younger folk are able to afford to have a motorhome.

    David 

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited March 2017 #147

    Sorry I should have made it clear that it's the Bailey Motorhome Owners Facebook group which is a closed group which I imagine can't be accessed if you are not a member. So nothing to do with the Baileys Owners Club. My comments were my observations of reading and contributing to the group over the last couple of years. 

     

  • Amesford
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    edited April 2017 #148

    Talking to a lady in the village yesterday she and her husband have thrown the towel in and joined the C&CC 

  • EasyT
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    edited April 2017 #149

     This was followed by the change to the website that is acknowledged as being pathetic and not fit for purpose - but with no apparent 'repairs' to it other than a very rapid change of club name.

    I think that the CC is too busy with posting on faceache to trouble with this site 

  • brue
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    edited April 2017 #150

    I think Facebook is the preferred social media site for the club. The staff can handle it more easily and control responses, forums can be much more tricky. The club Facebook users certainly get responses. It would be interesting to know whether it encourages new members and potential van buyers or just provides a social contact point. No doubt looking at the "hits" is part of the statistics.

     

  • JVB66
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    edited April 2017 #151

    And according to todays paper? there is going to be one big bang soon,because of the burgeoning  financial  problems the younger generation of "must haves"are building for themselves with the "help to buy " being exploited by builders making it worse