How to thrive on a non 240v site!

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  • cyberyacht
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    edited February 2017 #92

    There's all sorts of development underway in fuel cell technology. We aren't quite there yet though.

  • Pippah45
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    edited February 2017 #93

    I hate to disillusion you Merve but the steam from tap water carries pollutants too. (My molecular biologist friend warned of the toxins coming off the boiled egg water!)  I steam my veg too but with filtered water that has a lot of impurities taken out.  Do you mean to say you aren't going to be able to run the distiller on your inverter?  I thought those things on Amazon looked as though there was quite small draw - (mind you the noise might not be welcome in the caravan).  I go with either filtered or bottled in the caravan for drinking and cooking. 

  • SteveDSD
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    edited February 2017 #94

    As a computer hardware and electrical engineer myself I consider LiFePo4 batteries to be a very good fit for a leisure battery, at least for me. The batteries I'm using have integrated battery management systems and that is where the maximum draw rate comes from. 

    A friend has a custom made battery pack that can run his air conditioning as well as his full computer setup. He's been running it for over 4 years and has lost only 3% of the capacity.  His previous lead acid bank was well maintained but could not run his air conditioning and  failed after 3 years. Admittedly he's in a big bus conversion and has space for the inverters and batteries, but still, it shows that LiFePo4 is a good fit. 

  • SteveDSD
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    edited February 2017 #95

    Well, they were using pretty much the same as modern fuel cells on the Apollo moon missions, but yes the practical fuel cell for the public has lots of issues, not least of all if it's a hydrogen fuel cell where the containment of a highly reactive gas needs to be considered. 

    Also, hydrogen mostly comes from natural gas reforming, a severely costly and wasteful technology, or electrolysis which is also very costly and energy wasteful. 

  • Merve
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    edited February 2017 #96

    Hi pippah , believe me, I'm not disillusioned! We have a very polluted world and I am trying to protect myself from as many of the pollutants as I can. No, we wont be able to do in on our breaks- this draws 750w. Filtered water. Will be the best we can do on site but better that than nothing. I will use my own high quality filter rather than buy bottled water which has been proven to be 25% TAP WATER! Most of it is acidic which is a big no no. Information can be gathered from YouTube regarding this from a guy who has researched it - his name is Webber (everything good comes from Webber) Acidic water makes your body acidic- cancer thrives in an acidic body - it cant survive, apparently starving to death, in a Alkaline body. Water is so important above and beyond the obvious.

  • Johnny57
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    edited February 2017 #97

    Hi Merve
    Just to let you know I have now updated my website with your article and a small bit about Safefill Link to page . If you would like your full name used against your article let me know by email or something.
    Thanks again for your help John

  • SteveDSD
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    edited February 2017 #98

    Hi Merve, I hate to be the bringer of disagreement but "someone on YouTube did research" does not bode well for credibility of the results.

    Our bodies have evolved over many millions of years to handle most things in our environment and have excellent ways of disposing of many toxins we might consume .

    Your body doesn't become acidic because the water you drink might be acidic otherwise we'd be absorbing the hydrochloric acid from our stomachs and sweating acid. What about fruit and meat and all the other things we might eat that contain acid/alkaline in various strengths?

    I'm afraid there's a lot of mumbo jumbo about all these things on the internet with so-called "research" that has not been peer reviewed or verified scientifically.  

    Our tap water is some of the safest in the world, tested multiple times daily for any contaminants or bacteria/viruses etc.

    Obviously we all have our own ideas and actions, but spending large amounts of money to filter and distill water that is already safe to drink is a bit of a waste. Did you know that distilling water can actually concentrate any volatile organic compounds in the distilled water as they have a lower boiling point than water? That's something we were taught and demonstrated in science class at school. 

  • EasyT
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    edited February 2017 #99

     It is truly amazing that, as the ages pass, man in the UK, despite all the  multitude of pollutants, has continued to live longer and healthier century upon century. Ain't nature wonderful.

  • Pippah45
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    edited February 2017 #100

    Have we got to the point where we should have a separate thread for Water?  Getting off Topic here! 

  • EasyT
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    edited February 2017 #101

    I blame Fred

  • SteveDSD
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    edited February 2017 #102

    Sorry for the detour into water, hopefully it wasn't too deep.  

    Although im a bit mad with my power setup I still do some things to help when not on EHU.  I do the normal thing of pre-chilling the fridge with as many frozen things as I can (milk, sausages etc.) and then as things thaw during my time away I use them. Turning my fridge to maximum while driving and then turning it down when I arrive on site helps a lot.

    Another power saving idea is to have a cooler with some ice in it, and then cover it with a damp towel and keep it in the shade under the awning or van where the evaporating water from the towel will help keep the cooler cold.  Putting a bit (a small heap) of table salt in the ice water will lower the temperature quite a lot. 

    All my bulbs are LED, I have 12v to USB chargers for all my gadgets apart from my laptop which I managed to get a 12v adapter for. Saves having to have an inverter for all those little "wall wart" power adapters. 

    If you're going out on day trips it might be worth using that time to charge your gadgets from the cigarette lighter socket in your car/motorhome if you can, thus saving your battery a little bit. 

  • Merve
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    edited February 2017 #103

    Water that is already safe to drink? I appreciate your comments AtThe Van and I agree to the point where the water from taps is 'drinkable' but safe to drink? We will have to agree to disagree there. The body is indeed an amazing organism and can deal with many things but over a period even the body is over powered by toxins. Clean pure water is the only thing that can remove them. If you are telling me, having watched 'The Journey of Water' on YouTube that tap water is perfectly safe then so be it. As far as the Acidity or alkalinity of the body is concerned, any amount of proven research can be found. Fresh fruit and Veg are one of the biggest protectors of good and lasting health. The fact that acid is in the stomach is a different argument. Our creator thought all about it and ensured that the body was protected from the acid in our stomachs. Yes, we can all pull an example out of the air to 'prove' the opposite but this has to be seen as a general rule. Anyway, this is not a health thread and I apologise for introducing it. I should have known better!! I will now return to SPs, Inverters and batteries. 8 days to go to the show! Can't wait!

  • Pippah45
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    edited February 2017 #104

    I find it interesting that Mothers of New Born Babies here are issued with bottled water (to make the milk with!).  

  • Hedgehurst
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    edited February 2017 #105

    This health diversion is fascinating - perhaps we should start a dedicated thread... meanwhile, back to non-ehu, I'm truly fascinated and am only just starting out.


    Dear Caravan Club, is there a chance we could have a complete section on how to survive off-grid? There's surely a lot of interest, and it's likely to be a growing topic as more & more people are getting into greener ways of using technology.

     

  • Merve
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    edited February 2017 #106

    Do you see this CC? The new technologies are being appreciated by a wider and wider audience. I have asked fo this-?anyone else supporting this idea of a dedicated thread for non EHU?

  • DaveCyn
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    edited February 2017 #107

    Count me in.

    Also been asking for the facility to search for non-EHU sites on the app but so far no acknowledgement.

     

  • EasyT
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    edited February 2017 #108

    No doubt such a filter would be set up to find CLs with EHU rather than without. laughing

    I don't use CLs but when I did I looked for CLs in an area. I suspect that if I wanted a CL near Aberdeen for example I would probably get no more than 8 options to consider.

     

  • Merve
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    edited February 2017 #109

    It's not just about non EHU CLs tho, but anything that can help people who are genuinely interested in the 'art' of non EHU. Yes, sites come into it , but the kit and equipment required to do the job 'properly is also very discussionable! There, Ive made new word! there are many hundreds of caravanners out there who have made the choice and have been happy with it - yours truly for a start. I have to say, I have never seen a post that has said" Well!! Ive tried non EHU, _-bought the kit to do it and Ill never do that again - absolute rubbish!! " but I have seen the opposite reaction many times. There is a sizeable part of the membership who feel that are not really represented- when , for example, did the CC last open a "non EHU" site? And, more importantly, ever encourage non EHU?- I think you'll be struggling to find the answer but we all know the reason. The only articles Ive seen are slightly derogatory and out of touch. I am still waiting for the CC to contact me to do a full , non biased article in the club magazine. I think I might be waiting a long long time don't you? We all have something to offer and a new slant or idea is always welcome and handy. Sometimes, we can tend to think we have the perfect solution and then someone says "I use one of these for that " or " I do it this way" or "have you seen one of these" as they post a picture of a bit of kit you didn't know existed and you realise that we all have something to offer. Long live non EHU and one of the ways that the CC could show that they are inclusive is to at least let us 'weirdos' talk amongst ourselves in a dedicated section.

  • Hedgehurst
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    edited February 2017 #110

    Just so.
    I'm far too new here to get involved in CC politics and don't intend to, but I have joined mainly to gain information on caravanning and what we can do to enjoy it.

    I'd really hope to find a section in the Advice and Information part of the website with downloadable info, just like the really useful stuff on how to tow, set up, etc. which for beginners like me is superb.

    There's a growing acceptance that whatever the fossil fuel companies and their tame politicians (the orange one included) would like us to believe, our only intelligent future is to depend less & less on the extracted stuff, and more and more on what are still seen as alternative ways of producing energy.
    Otherwise the planet will probably survive quite well, but Hom Sap will likely not be part of its fauna. (Not sapient enough!)

    Meanwhile, more info here on how to have a cheaper greener holiday would be great, and would save us having maybe to migrate elsewhere to find it.

  • Merve
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    edited February 2017 #111

    Hi Richard- let us know what you want know and we will all try our best to answer your question and concerns. if only the IT dept could get the old thread back it would be marvellous as it was full of ideas and experiences. All I can do is hope that the normal contributors to the original thread can buckle down and try to re establish this as informative as its 'lost' father!!! COME ON CC, PULL YOUR FINGER OUT- WE REALLY NEWD THE ORIGINAL THREAD. I CANT BELIEVE THE INCOMPETENCE OF THE IT DEPT! IF IT WAS ANYONE ELSE YOUD BE SACKED!!

  • Hedgehurst
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    edited February 2017 #112

    Thanks Merve - it'll be a while before I get into serious questions. As I've said before, I'm still in the very theoretical stage, as we've yet to take our first trip in the 'van, which will be mid-March. Once we've learned to work our little Rapido as it is, we'll have more idea of how we'd like to adjust it, then there will be questions!  But since I'm clearly not the only one wanting to know, hopefully there'll be lots more questions from others on the same course.

    ... though one to go on with, just me thinking way ahead, but which is possibly already buried somewhere in the previous 109 messages, concerns the inverter. The one we have for our home's 16 solar roof panels is the size of a respectable suitcase. Our caravan is already tiny enough without taking up too much storage space with more gear, so how big is the box for a caravan sized inverter?

  • Pippah45
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    edited February 2017 #113

    Hedgehurst - just ask away and perhaps tell us more of what you have and what you need.  I started with a solar trickle charger for the battery - all of £10 worth!  Soon progressed to a cheap folding solar panel - then I won a much better one on a website for simply posting a review of a campsite!  That has kept me juiced up very well since - I added an inverter that means I can use a hand held whisk for occasional kitchen use and also charging some of those things that only have a 13 amp plug - my camera for one.  Finally adding Safefill and feel quite independent now! I find a bank of 4 12v sockets very useful - including the 12v plugs that have USB sockets too. 

  • Hedgehurst
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    edited February 2017 #114

    Thanks Pippah45. Safefill here we come, I reckon.
    Meanwhile,  roughly how big is that inverter, please? ... on a scale either of actual cm / inches  or soup tin / cereal packet/ suitcase units laughing

  • Pippah45
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    edited February 2017 #115

    My inverter is a fairly large Paperback book size?  Smaller than my set top box.  It came from Maplin.  If you are a member of the other club as well its the size of two of the new Siteseeker books together (approx).  I think it was about £60 worth.  I also have a much cheaper one from Lidl that is quite useful in the car for a few things.  But low powered in the scheme of things.  That is about the size of a large can of beer smile

  • Hedgehurst
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    edited February 2017 #116

    Now these are units of measurement I can appreciate! In due time I'm going to be asking more about how it gets fitted into the system, but I reckon even our tiny van could accommodate something that size.

     

  • Merve
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    edited February 2017 #117

    Went to Jackson of Old Arley today and took my almost empty Safefill cylinders with me. Ready for the new season now. 18lts - £12. Not the cheapest but I like to support anyone who backs Safefill and in turn, caravanners.

  • Merve
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    edited February 2017 #118

    Hi mate. Inverters come in all sizes. The more amps they can handle, the bigger they are. Not only that , - there is modified sine wave and Pure sine wave. What you end up with all depends on what you want to run through it. I wanted to 'go for it' so I bought a 2000w Pure Sine Wave unit. I don't have to think about what I run through it- everything will run through it and with plenty of 'slack' when they do. You may want to run something far smaller than say, a microwave or toaster and that will run on modified sinewave- in that case, you'll not be wanting anything like as big as mine. The physical size of mine is something like  13"x 6" x 3". It's mounted on a heat sink but I have never even got it warm, let alone hot! I found it very worthwhile to hand it to someone who really understood what I was after ie, a electrician/electronics engineer-  result- perfection!! 

  • Pippah45
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    edited February 2017 #119

    My larger inverter has been connected to the battery (during service) I had it on croc clips before that.  It lives under the bench seats near the battery box.  Since they need to be switched off when not in use - I would prefer somewhere more accessible but I can still just about get down there!  The diddy one plugs into the 12v sockets useful in the car for charging my torches that have a 13 amp plug etc - but it also has a USB socket.  . 

  • Merve
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    edited February 2017 #120

    Well, it's that time of year again when we start to have our first thoughts about the coming season, unless you are winter caravanners, and then its just looking forward to the better weather! It was one of those days where I knew I had to turn out to storage to run the cleaning cloth over the inside of the van. Waiting for me, was my SP, my two 110ah batteries and my inverter. On arrival, I carried out my usual checks of the battery charge and SP function. I reconnected my inverter into the socket after the caravan service which requires of course, the hook up cable to be connected. I was now on my own power./ Out came the 240v high power vacuum! With my 5Kg Safefill cylinder fitted, hot water was no problem and I tested the fridge. - all spot on. After checking everything on the 'van, I was happy that I was ready, but more importantly, the van was ready for the new season. The last job I did was clean the floor and vacuum throughout using the inverter and realising that I was indeed probably one of a handful - if that, - on the storage site with that facility. I didn't have to wait till I was on an EHU site to start vacuuming or pull it to my home!! It was all there, waiting as it always is!