Are CLs strictly for 5 caravans

What's wrong with the CC website! It says you MUST be a CC member to stay (read a little further down), it's £16 to stay as a CC member or £13 if a CC member AND a NT member, with the option to join the NT whilst staying

Yes, you're correct Dave. Further down there is indeed the standard message about CLs being exclusively for CC members, so mystery solved. Mind you, some will doubtless bemoan the fact that some CC members end up paying more than others! 

im fairly sure the NT has a 'relationship' with CC over a number of CLs.....you used to have to ring a central NT number to book, this then changed to ringing a number pertinent to the actual NT site....

some 'CL's dont necessarily require membership for entry, eg those run by Practical MH/caravan (nightstops) definitely dont.

I expect those CLs in the cc/nt 'group' have slightly different 'entry' regs but are definitely 5 vans...

by coincidence, i was also at Stourhead early last week and strolled round to check out the CL

i, too, asked the 'attendant' about the site and he just asked if we were NT members, i said we in the CC as well, he said something like 'even better'...

however....I was a bit disappointed as the car park had taken over most of the previous area and what was left was crammed back against a row of (shady) trees, with as little space as was allowed by the 'rules'....

so, despite being members of both orgs and interested in trying Stourhead, we felt the site itself was a bit of a let down.....now, Kingston Lacy......now youre talking

thanks for the update....

 

I reported what I was told and I strongly resent your suggestion that it is not true.  

Deleted UserUser, whilst not wishing to offend you, the fact is that what you were told regarding none members been allowed access to CC CL's is not true-

Rule 1:  Visitors to your CL must be members of the Caravan Club (Club Rule) 

This is a condition of your certificate, breach of which could also put your cover at risk should a claim arise under your public liability insurance.  All members carry a membership card, renewed annually on the anniversary date of joining, so please ask to
see this as evidence of current membership.  Check the expiry date and note the member’s name, address, telephone number and membership number in your booking-in diary, just in case any queries arise.  Quite a lot of members complain to us that owners do not
ask to see their cards.  They like to know that CLs are for their exclusive use! 

these are the exemption classes for camping orgs.....

Caravan club exemptions

There are 3 types of exemption for caravan clubs. You’ll need to state which exemption you want in your application form.

i guess its possible that CC/NT have 'their' joint sites exempted under the 'type' below.....and have agreed (with NT as landowner) that these sites can accommodate non members as in the note in bold below, this is how the 'Nightstops' scheme is operated.

Approved sites exemption

This is known as a paragraph 5 exemption.

With this exemption, your organisation can select sites for its members to stay on, by issuing certificates to the landowner or occupier. These certificates are valid for up to 1 year. 

Non-members are allowed to stay on the site if your club and the landowner agree to it.

You’ll need to:

• set a maximum limit of 5 caravans at a time for each site
• have a system for consulting neighbours and the local licensing authority (Natural England, or the Scottish or Welsh governments) before issuing a certificate
  
• have a system for inspecting the sites and dealing with complaints from the public
  
• send copies of the certificates you issue to Natural England, or the Scottish or Welsh governments (depending on where your club is based)
  

Have you seen
>this thread< BB and Rowena's post on page 9?

peedee

Yes,that sums it up I suppose-

Operating the CL network is a privilege offered to The Club on specific conditions which include that they are intended solely for Caravan Club member’s recreational use only. As such all CL Sites are member only, without exception

Have you seen
>this thread< BB and Rowena's post on page 9?

peedee

Peedee, thanks....

firstly, what a PITA it is to navigate to page 9!.....first to page 3, then 5, etc, etc....

however, this looks clear re the CLs where the exemption has been granted to owners by CC.....the hundreds in our books...

but, it is also clear that CC is not the only org that has been granted the privilege to dispense exemption certificates....

obviously, the most similar is CCC, which (IIRC) is also member only.

however, in the text from the GOV page i quoted, other groups can aquire this status and can, if agreed with the landowner, allow non members...

one case in point is MCC (motorcaravanners) and PM (practical motorhome) who operate CLs called Nightstops and, no doubt, have agreed with their 'landowners' to allow non members.

it may be that the CLs on NT land are, in fact, operated by NT, under their own regs (non members) and the CC is 'partnering/ piggybacking/advising' and part of the deal is that CC members may make use of them.

of course, the above is all surmise and it would be good to have Ro clarify this 'difference/anomaly' in the way these sites are managed.

I think Ro's got more pressing matters to attend to just now, BB! 

of course, shes off touring somewhere

and, 'Ro' is a generic for CC input......

Or, of course, could just be Ro(chelle)! 

The
website says

Caravan Club site at Stourhead

This is a great way to get outdoors and enjoy Stourhead. We have pitches available for Caravan Club members, with water and electricity, and within walking distance to the gardens and house.

 

I can't find anything about NT members on that so perhaps they are just doing their own thing

 

 

 

 

the CL entry on the 'search' also says this...

 

• From 1 Jan until 31 Dec 
  
  £16 per Pitch
• NT members £13. One night free to non NT members who join during their stay at this CL
  

and this....

Advance booking required

Certificated Locations are for the exclusive use of Caravan Club members, please quote your membership number when making your booking and show your membership card on arrival.

 

 

so, perhaps its CC members only, but those who are NT members as well, get a further discount?

however, im sure i got the same answer last week (from the same chap?) as DD, saying that you just needed to be an NT member....

the NT website has been 'revamped' recently, there used to be a definitive 'caravanning at NT sites' page, list all sites and booking conditions.....however i cant find it now...

no doubt someone will explain

CC Ltd allows anyone to use their main sites so why the restriction of no non-members on CL's?

Due to the fact that Caravan Club sites require planning permission certain local authorities insist on them been available to non members, however many Caravan Club sites are members only.