Are CLs strictly for 5 caravans
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I reported a serial overbooker last summer.
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What's wrong with the CC website! It says you MUST be a CC member to stay (read a little further down), it's £16 to stay as a CC member or £13 if a CC member AND a NT member, with the option to join the NT whilst staying
Yes, you're correct Dave. Further down there is indeed the standard message about CLs being exclusively for CC members, so mystery solved. Mind you, some will doubtless bemoan the fact that some CC members end up paying more than others!
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im fairly sure the NT has a 'relationship' with CC over a number of CLs.....you used to have to ring a central NT number to book, this then changed to ringing a number pertinent to the actual NT site....
some 'CL's dont necessarily require membership for entry, eg those run by Practical MH/caravan (nightstops) definitely dont.
I expect those CLs in the cc/nt 'group' have slightly different 'entry' regs but are definitely 5 vans...
by coincidence, i was also at Stourhead early last week and strolled round to check out the CL
i, too, asked the 'attendant' about the site and he just asked if we were NT members, i said we in the CC as well, he said something like 'even better'...
however....I was a bit disappointed as the car park had taken over most of the previous area and what was left was crammed back against a row of (shady) trees, with as little space as was allowed by the 'rules'....
so, despite being members of both orgs and interested in trying Stourhead, we felt the site itself was a bit of a let down.....now, Kingston Lacy......now youre talking
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thanks for the update....
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Some say that I am confused; other say permanently so
. But what is confusing about the following?
.This morning we visited NT Stourhead, it is not too far from where we live and just a nice place to visit. They have recently moved and upgraded their CL. Nice position lovely surroundings, etc.
I ask how much per night and was told NT members £16.50, CC Ltd. members £16.50, but if you are a member of both organisations £13.50. Now, I thought CL were restricted to CC Ltd members only.
Are any of you CL aficionados able to explain the odd pricing and strange membership rules bearing in mind that even if you are not a member of either organisation you can still use NT Stourhead CL.
..First thing ,I do not understand the use of Stourhead cl by non members of either organisation?where did that come from or have i miised something?,
Second National trust members are allowed on any cc site or cl at cc members rates if they are on National trust property
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I reported what I was told and I strongly resent your suggestion that it is not true.
Deleted UserUser, whilst not wishing to offend you, the fact is that what you were told regarding none members been allowed access to CC CL's is not true-
Rule 1: Visitors to your CL must be members of the Caravan Club (Club Rule)
This is a condition of your certificate, breach of which could also put your cover at risk should a claim arise under your public liability insurance. All members carry a membership card, renewed annually on the anniversary date of joining, so please ask to
see this as evidence of current membership. Check the expiry date and note the member’s name, address, telephone number and membership number in your booking-in diary, just in case any queries arise. Quite a lot of members complain to us that owners do not
ask to see their cards. They like to know that CLs are for their exclusive use!0 -
I expect those CLs in the cc/nt 'group' have slightly different 'entry' regs but are definitely 5 vans...
Vulcan, I suspect BB is right, the NT is THE major land owner in this country and probably carries a lot of clout when it come to deciding who can and cannot use CLs on its land. JVB seems to confirm this.
peedee
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these are the exemption classes for camping orgs.....
Caravan club exemptions
There are 3 types of exemption for caravan clubs. You’ll need to state which exemption you want in your application form.
i guess its possible that CC/NT have 'their' joint sites exempted under the 'type' below.....and have agreed (with NT as landowner) that these sites can accommodate non members as in the note in bold below, this is how the 'Nightstops' scheme is operated.
Approved sites exemption
This is known as a paragraph 5 exemption.
With this exemption, your organisation can select sites for its members to stay on, by issuing certificates to the landowner or occupier. These certificates are valid for up to 1 year.
Non-members are allowed to stay on the site if your club and the landowner agree to it.
You’ll need to:
- set a maximum limit of 5 caravans at a time for each site
- have a system for consulting neighbours and the local licensing authority (Natural England, or the Scottish or Welsh governments) before issuing a certificate
- have a system for inspecting the sites and dealing with complaints from the public
- send copies of the certificates you issue to Natural England, or the Scottish or Welsh governments (depending on where your club is based)
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Have you seen
>this thread< BB and Rowena's post on page 9?peedee
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Have you seen
>this thread< BB and Rowena's post on page 9?peedee
Yes,that sums it up I suppose-
Operating the CL network is a privilege offered to The Club on specific conditions which include that they are intended solely for Caravan Club member’s recreational use only. As such all CL Sites are member only, without exception
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Have you seen
>this thread< BB and Rowena's post on page 9?peedee
Yes,that sums it up I suppose-
Operating the CL network is a privilege offered to The Club on specific conditions which include that they are intended solely for Caravan Club member’s recreational use only. As such all CL Sites are member only, without exception
Nevertheless you cannot help wonder about this in some cases. The NT seems to have a special relationship with the Club. I can hardly see the Club rapping the NT's knuckles over non CC members who are NT members using a CL.
peedee
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Are you willing to name the site, bev, so that we can avoid it in the future?
I don't want to put people off going, but it was Bridge End on the outside of Durham, the site does get good reviews hence me booking in the first place, but I must say I was quite offended by her comment and will not be trying again.
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Have you seen
>this thread< BB and Rowena's post on page 9?peedee
Peedee, thanks....
firstly, what a PITA it is to navigate to page 9!.....first to page 3, then 5, etc, etc....
however, this looks clear re the CLs where the exemption has been granted to owners by CC.....the hundreds in our books...
but, it is also clear that CC is not the only org that has been granted the privilege to dispense exemption certificates....
obviously, the most similar is CCC, which (IIRC) is also member only.
however, in the text from the GOV page i quoted, other groups can aquire this status and can, if agreed with the landowner, allow non members...
one case in point is MCC (motorcaravanners) and PM (practical motorhome) who operate CLs called Nightstops and, no doubt, have agreed with their 'landowners' to allow non members.
it may be that the CLs on NT land are, in fact, operated by NT, under their own regs (non members) and the CC is 'partnering/ piggybacking/advising' and part of the deal is that CC members may make use of them.
of course, the above is all surmise and it would be good to have Ro clarify this 'difference/anomaly' in the way these sites are managed.
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I think Ro's got more pressing matters to attend to just now, BB!
of course, shes off touring somewhere
and, 'Ro' is a generic for CC input......
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website saysCaravan Club site at Stourhead
This is a great way to get outdoors and enjoy Stourhead. We have pitches available for Caravan Club members, with water and electricity, and within walking distance to the gardens and house.I can't find anything about NT members on that so perhaps they are just doing their own thing
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The
website saysCaravan Club site at Stourhead
This is a great way to get outdoors and enjoy Stourhead. We have pitches available for Caravan Club members, with water and electricity, and within walking distance to the gardens and house.I can't find anything about NT members on that so perhaps they are just doing their own thingthe CL entry on the 'search' also says this...- From 1 Jan until 31 Dec
£16 per Pitch - NT members £13. One night free to non NT members who join during their stay at this CL
and this....
Advance booking requiredCertificated Locations are for the exclusive use of Caravan Club members, please quote your membership number when making your booking and show your membership card on arrival.
so, perhaps its CC members only, but those who are NT members as well, get a further discount?
however, im sure i got the same answer last week (from the same chap?) as DD, saying that you just needed to be an NT member....
the NT website has been 'revamped' recently, there used to be a definitive 'caravanning at NT sites' page, list all sites and booking conditions.....however i cant find it now...
no doubt someone will explain
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Sure I will explain. It's supposed to be a small site just for CC members, but like many other small sites in that category the rule isn't always adhered to. Some Club members get upset about this, others take things in their stride. Life goes on.
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Are you willing to name the site, bev, so that we can avoid it in the future?
I don't want to put people off going, but it was Bridge End on the outside of Durham, the site does get good reviews hence me booking in the first place, but I must say I was quite offended by her comment and will not be trying again.
Thanks, bev, we'll give that site a miss too.
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I reported what I was told and I strongly resent your suggestion that it is not true.
Deleted UserUser, whilst not wishing to offend you, the fact is that what you were told regarding none members been allowed access to CC CL's is not true-
Rule 1: Visitors to your CL must be members of the Caravan Club (Club Rule)
This is a condition of your certificate, breach of which could also put your cover at risk should a claim arise under your public liability insurance. All members carry a membership card, renewed annually on the anniversary date of joining, so please ask to see this as evidence of current membership. Check the expiry date and note the member’s name, address, telephone number and membership number in your booking-in diary, just in case any queries arise. Quite a lot of members complain to us that owners do not ask to see their cards. They like to know that CLs are for their exclusive use!What I was told and wrote was specific to Stourhead. Other posts seem to have shown it is probably correct as it is entirely possible that the NT has a different form of licence and or an exemption. It is not always safe to generalise.
I appreciate that you took the information you were given in good faith,having contacted the CL in question it is clear that you have to be a CC member to use the CL even if you are a NT member.Quote "We can only take you if you are a Caravan Club member as it is their licenced site which I run for them". Whoever gave you the idea that the CL could be used by non members was mistaken.
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Sure I will explain. It's supposed to be a small site just for CC members, but like many other small sites in that category the rule isn't always adhered to. Some Club members get upset about this, others take things in their stride. Life goes on.
As was said. the rules will continue to be broken, and some will continue to get upset.
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CC Ltd allows anyone to use their main sites so why the restriction of no non-members on CL's?
Due to the fact that Caravan Club sites require planning permission certain local authorities insist on them been available to non members, however many Caravan Club sites are members only.
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CC Ltd allows anyone to use their main sites so why the restriction of no non-members on CL's?
The planning regulations that apply to CLs, & CS's, state that the persons that use them must be a member of the club/association that issues the licence.
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