Wot no peg!
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See the pricing guide on my link to Aldridge Hill TDA, it covers discounts etc. (Including C&CC member discount at 15%)
Worth noting that the CitF Age Concession discount (20%) is available to
anyone over 60 - you don't need to be a member of C&CC - and is of course better than the member discount (15%). Sadly, you can't have both
.... though you CAN combine with the mid-week discount.Some of us are still Spring Chickens! I do like the midweek discount though! Does C&CC membership give you 15% on the ordinary CitF prices?
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I have been camping, Caravanning and now Motorhoming in fields, woodlands and forests for the last 40 years, including drought conditions, and at times alongside (no choice) some proper drunken numpties. How I have survived this long remains a mystery. Club
sites have some of the smallest gaps possible between outfits, that's why the rules are so strict. It didn't use to be this way, but outfits have got (much) larger, touring is more popular and the Club shoehorns the maximum pitches it can into its old sites.
That's why some pitches are none awning. We go at quiet times and enjoy the space. Trust me, three, six, even nine meters won't save your outfit from harm if there is a fire next door, it will hopefully allow you to get out safely.0 -
"I have been camping, Caravanning and now Motorhoming in fields, woodlands and forests for the last 40 years".....
you started young if youre 'still a Spring Chicken'
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I did indeed, with school! An old army tent, no sewn in groundsheet, middle of forest up at Low Wray in Lakes. Torrential rain, tent swept away, we all ended up in Army Training Hut, on floor in sleeping bags. Thirty school girls, four teachers and a mad
terrier called Henry. At that point my future was set! A lifetime of canvas, caravan, camper, dogs and fun!
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Ian,
Having held responsible positions all my life, I strongly object to being told to "grow up a little" by you, or indeed anyone else. (Page 5)
The fact is that I have been a member of the CC for many many years, and until relatively recently I like many others had no issues with CC policy etc. But a few years ago CC Policy changed, - around about the time that all weather pitches became the Vogue. Suddenly the whole idea became, "Lets cram as many pitches we can onto the site", so much so, that some pitches became very small, so In order to get over that, The club invented "none awning pitches". But whatever, the somewhat crowded nature of CC sites dictated that new rules must come in, ensuring safe separation. Also at the same time, came the strictures about parking to the pegs, and mandatorey pitching in serried ranks! Gone was the freedom of Club caravanning!
Thats when I and many others, migrated to CL's.
In the old days I guess that about 100% of my nights were spent on CC Club sites. Today that will be about 5% if that.
But don't ever tell me to grow up! I suspect that I've done about as much growing up as you or anyone else has. GRRR!
TF
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But parked cars, without the engine running, don't burst into flames.
Is there a Vauxhall Zafira owner in the house?
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Imagine what that would have done to 'face to face' awnings only 3 metres apart?
the same as awning to car or car to car. In fact I'll take an awning on fire to a car on fire. All that plastic, paint, oh and that stuff called petrol. A car is far more dangerous and has a far higher fire loading than an awning.But as M says, the club operates this way and if you feel it is dangerous then don't go.
But parked cars, without the engine running, don't burst into flames.
On the other hand, a cloth, non fire resistant awning with heaters, cookers, live electrical items and people walking around in them (and the risk of knocking over the aforementioned) is far more likely to catch fire.
But parked cars, without the engine running, don't burst into flames
Actually of course they do. As k your local fireman or woman. I can recall a fire in a local car park where this happened while the owners were shopping.
I am not qualified to say if an awning is more likey to catch fire than a car, I leave that to the anti awning or scaremongers, but that really wasn't your point. you decsribed a sistuation where a caravan had caught fire, quote:
In the example of the fire at Broadway, the units were apparantly the requisite distance apart........but the heat from the fire still melted the bumpers and the rear panel of the adjacent unit.
Imagine what that would have done to 'face to face' awnings only 3 metres apart?
I am saying that if a caravan caught fire the damage to a awning next to it would be far less than explosive than having a car next to it.
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But parked cars, without the engine running, don't burst into flames. ...
They can do. A freinds twin neices were in their parents' (her brother) car asleep at the back of their shop and the car went up in flames. The fire was discovered before any harm to the kid was done but the car was gutted
yes but not in Ian's world
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Another consideration at setthorns is the scrub like brush of the forest floor that the whole site is laid out on. If ever there were a fire risk, that'd be it. Anyone any record of fire there, or other New Forest campsites?
Nope, didn't think so.
Often brushland fires near connerbations where bored yoofs get pi55ed up and light fires, smash glass bottles, discard fag ends etc. Maybe its a different kind of user camping in the woods
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the environment tells you to treat it with respect without roolz written outTis a lovely setting, as are the other CiF sites.
..There was a fire at the forest site just before Black Knowle a few years ago in a tent that spread to a caravan , no one hurt
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Yes, a car can catch fire. But I think that you need to consider what is the most likely to catch fire.......a car with engine turned off and no-one in it......or a caravan and awning with heating appliances, open flames, electrical goods operating and people (including young children) walking / running about, having a few drinks etc.
Don't you?
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TF.......sorry if you felt insulted by my 'grow up' comment, but really, when people have a paddy because they are told to park on the bit of gravel that gives them the most separation from their neighbour.....?
Do you seriously believe that this requirement has destroyed "the freedom of Club caravanning"? Seriously??
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Yes Ian, Seriously! I repeat my comment, that before all of this crowded and enforced regimentation became the norm, I was a 100% club site user. Today I will only use a club site if there is no viable alternative, and then only for a short time. This
year only 3 nights out of just under 50 in totalAnd I am not alone in that. By using CL's I have far more space around me than on any club site, I can pitch any which way I want, and I never have anyone complaining that my van is a little out of line with all of the others, - bliss! The other important
factor of course is the price!The majority of CL's now offer UHU and in many cases toilet and shower facilities too. All for about £15 per night on average with no seasonal variation.
So yes I do mean "Seriously" I genuinely do love the CC because over the 30 plus years that I have been a member it has provided me with a lovely life style, even though my other roles have taken me all over the world. But in the last few years the Club
site environment has changed dramatically, - it seems that regimentation is now the byeword and its not for me. That, - in my opinion is Serious!TF
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Yes Ian, Seriously! I repeat my comment, that before all of this crowded and enforced regimentation became the norm, I was a 100% club site user. Today I will only use a club site if there is no viable alternative, and then only for a short time. This
year only 3 nights out of just under 50 in totalAnd I am not alone in that. By using CL's I have far more space around me than on any club site, I can pitch any which way I want, and I never have anyone complaining that my van is a little out of line with all of the others, - bliss! The other important
factor of course is the price!The majority of CL's now offer UHU and in many cases toilet and shower facilities too. All for about £15 per night on average with no seasonal variation.
So yes I do mean "Seriously" I genuinely do love the CC because over the 30 plus years that I have been a member it has provided me with a lovely life style, even though my other roles have taken me all over the world. But in the last few years the Club
site environment has changed dramatically, - it seems that regimentation is now the byeword and its not for me. That, - in my opinion is Serious!TF
Write your comments here...We ahve been on a few CL's where you have to park in an allocated space so not all are open and free....
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I'm still not sure what the issue is here, or the reason for so much intemperate posting.
IF YOU CHOOSE to use a CC site you accept their rules. You park to the peg (nose in or out, it matters not in most cases). You put your awning up on the door side and you park your car on the other side. Yes, resrictive - yes, you might not agree with it, but them's the rules (at present anyway!). Like TF, we are using CC sites less and less these days, preferring CLs. But as far as I can see most other sites (certainly C&CC and lots of commercials not to mention many CLs with HS installed)) operate in pretty much the same way. So just get pitched up and enjoy your holiday (if that's what you call it!)
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Yes, a car can catch fire. But I think that you need to consider what is the most likely to catch fire.......a car with engine turned off and no-one in it......or a caravan and awning with heating appliances, open flames, electrical goods operating and people
(including young children) walking / running about, having a few drinks etc.Don't you?
Ian some Vauxhall models seem to be very prone to bursting into flames whereas very few c/vans, mh or other camping accommodation do. Unless you know better?
Yes, if you look at the relative frequency (probabilties based on data) then car fires are much much more likely to catch fire than an awning. Also based on the data, what is it - two fires last year in the whole of the club's sites, the risk of a fire on
site is very vey low, just consider how many pitches v how many fires0 -
Yes, a car can catch fire. But I think that you need to consider what is the most likely to catch fire.......a car with engine turned off and no-one in it......or a caravan and awning with heating appliances, open flames, electrical goods operating and people (including young children) walking / running about, having a few drinks etc.
Don't you?
well I'm glad that you have accepted that your earier misguided and misleading post, quote:
But parked cars, without the engine running, don't burst into flames
was completly incorrect.Now back to your post, this was not your point, you keep moving the goalposts (or pegs), you asked if what would happen awning to awning if a van caught fire.
If you look at real data, not your baised perceptions, un-attended cars are more likely to catch fire than awnings.
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TF.......sorry if you felt insulted by my 'grow up' comment, but really, when people have a paddy because they are told to park on the bit of gravel that gives them the most separation from their neighbour.....?
Do you seriously believe that this requirement has destroyed "the freedom of Club caravanning"? Seriously??
Ian, can you show me the post where someone has had a "paddy" over parking to the peg??, all my OP is about is that you can have safe pitches without the need of a peg and regementation
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But parked cars, without the engine running, don't burst into flames.
Is there a Vauxhall Zafira owner in the house?
Just off to the supermarket. I must watch which car I park by. Life is just so dangerous.
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You can have safe pitch spacing without a peg but we have stayed on commercial sites without clear demarcation of pitches and have ended up far too close to our neighbours. If the site density is low then pitch definition isn't critical but we all know
that CC sites are designed to maximise the number of pitches so it becomes more of an issue.I don't really care whether a pitch is defined by a peg, a hedge or ground surface as long as I am far enough away from the neighbouring van.
Unless the CC changes the design of sites by reducing the number of pitches and clearly defining a pitching area then pegs will stay
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I fully agree you need some form of demarcation, just to deal with the herding instinct. The same thing happens in car parks, when my back is playing up, I park in a nice clear section as it is easier to walk a bit further and be to open the door wide, than
go for a tight one close to the store. Only to come back to find the car surrounded by others, in an otherwise empty area.0 -
Just out of interest (and I'm bored) if you look and drill down here: https://data.gov.uk/dataset/vehicle_fires
In the outdoor fires table, road vechicles accounts for apprx 14% of fires, while caravans (on site and on tow) amount to 0.08%. You could use these as reasonable probabilities.
And over half of car fires were accidental!
So to be really safe on site, maybe ban cars!
Oh and grassland accounts for 1%, so another reason to ban grass pitches?
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well this is interesting, from the West Yorkshire Fire servce (I would class them as experts)
Every caravan should be not less than 6 metres from any other caravan in a separate occupation, and not less than 2 metres from a road.
The point of measurement for porches, awnings etc, is the exterior cladding of the caravan.Porches may protrude 1m into the 6 metres and should be of the open type.
Where awnings are used, the distance between any part of the awning and an adjoining caravan should not be less than 3 metres
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I dont think many people object to pegs in principle, as as been pointed out some form of pitch marking is needed but the strict adherance to exactly where the van is parked in relation to it is only required as a means of policing spacing because the pitches
are too close together .Spot on AD
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