Fresh water yes or no?
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....and, is it a small 'campervan', a larger Ducato type PVC or is it a coachbuilt MH?
Write your comments here...it's not small
so, which publication do we all need to look out for to witness this revelation in motorhoming?
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Imagine a scenario where a club member turns up at a site while touring having not pre booked and the site is full. Is it true they will also be denied access to water before they move on.
Will they be denied access to the elsan as members also?
I can only see this scenario happening by having been wild camping or bad planning before leaving the last site. C & CC membership would seem appropriate as their sites provide this service at a charge.
No it can happen if you have been on showgrounds, CLs or even rallies.
peedee
Write your comments here...that would be very unusual as all showgronds and rallies should have disposal facilities
I think it may be a health & safety issue if they did not provide these facilities ie access to fresh water & grey water & loo disposal.
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....and, is it a small 'campervan', a larger Ducato type PVC or is it a coachbuilt MH?
Write your comments here...it's not small
so, which publication do we all need to look out for to witness this revelation in motorhoming?
Write your comments here...it's for myself and another couple to know and others to keep looking one thing that will not be needed when leaving is a m/v point
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....and, is it a small 'campervan', a larger Ducato type PVC or is it a coachbuilt MH?
Write your comments here...it's not small
so, which publication do we all need to look out for to witness this revelation in motorhoming?
Write your comments here...it's for myself and another couple to know and others to keep looking one thing that will not be needed when leaving is a m/v point
OK, thanks for the update (not) ....I'll do my own detective work
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Sometimes it's best to say nothing at all.
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Regarding show grounds etc - They do have access to fresh water and CCP but waste water disposal suitable for a MH would be very unusual. Queueing with a watering can to top up fresh water would be a frustrating experience as well, we usually turn up to
shows and festivals with a full aquaroll as it can take a long time to get water on the first day.I can easily see that a MH could leave a show needing to fill and empty tanks although the need to empty a toilet cassette is unlikely
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The same would apply to THS as well I imagine?
peedee
There are always water points and at least one CDP point. Waste water is disposed of by either a bucket into the nearest hedge, a drain hose into the nearest hedge or a wastemaster into the nearest hedge. I am sure some on here will be wondering what if there is no hedge? We then use common sense. A lot can be done with common sense
A large number of MH's do carry a wastemaster to facillitate grey water emptying by the way. It all works very well.
You might like these sites peedee and you can try one (if you are in the C&CC) without booking your life away in December the previous year.
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A large number of MH's do carry a wastemaster to facillitate grey water emptying by the way. It all works very well.
You might like sites peedee and you can try one (if you are in the C&CC) without booking your life away in December the previous year.
I have a wastemaster but I only take it when I intend to remain on a site for longer that 3/4days. Its a bulky item to cart around and definitely don't carry it touring, I revert to a canvas bucket if it becomes desperate. . I do intend to try a THS and have my eye on one later this year but I cannot make any firm plans because I am waiting a hospital visit which is going to lay me low for at least a month.
peedee
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Sorry to hear about the layoff for you Peedee, best wishes for a speedy sort out.
We have used show grounds, CLs for years, never had a problem with fresh water, waste water or elsan. Standard provision on both. Like others, if permission granted by owners (and most are fine) we put waste grey water into hedgerow away from pitches, or
it is bucketed into a waste water point. I know some MHs have low empty taps, but most folks manage perfectly well, even without carrying a bulky waste master.I would be very surprised if any MH manufacturer is designing one without a waste tank. Few would buy it because of the resale issue. Same as a caravan with no bathroom. Didn't catch on, despite thousands not using one, because for some folks, the resale/
trade in can be more important than actually using the thing! A crazy conundrum!0 -
Thanks for the good wishes, its nothing serious just an inconvenience. I know there is always provision for water and waste disposal but often they are darn right hard work to use especially if they are raised off the ground as many are at shows and National Rallies. I have even come arcross some where you have to climb steps to tip the waste in! It can take many trips with a bucket to empty a tank.
peedee
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"I am sure you are a nice fella BB"
Alan, what a nice thing to say......
"but you don't half post some daft things.
"...and then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid...
sounds like the basis of a good melody....
look, i realise that you are totally resistant to change...the majority of your posts are along the lines of "i am happy as it is..." but it can be still ok for folk to chew the cud on new ideas.
im more than happy to argue the toss with anyone over any idea, and despite chatting about it, i agree with you that the club will never move towards cheaper transit pitches...
equally, it will never complete its trial of the HS booking process....
nor will we ever see the fruits of the next generation of CC web based systems (not in our lifetime, anyway)...
...but the glacial rate of change within CC doesnt preclude 'fellas' (and girls) having a chat and kicking ideas about...
so, to conclude, i am a nice 'fella', one who has never resorted to calling your staid postings 'daft'....
...though, i might give it a try from time to time...
Nice Post BB. I did like it yesterday and replied ....... sadly the site went down. How unusual I hear you say.
It is not that I am resistant to change entirely BB. It is simply that it makes no sense for either club to sell water and waste facility. The C&CC obviously realise this as they don't do that either. They do sell 3 hours on site with use of all facilities
however which I could see as being usefull to anybody wild camping. I doubt that the CC would encourage the activity and therefore doubt they would offer the same facility. As for night halts as I indicated there would probably only be a couple of quid saving
for the user over being on pitch because the relative size of pitches would not reduce greatly due to the need to maintain spacings. The area for such a provision would be relatively large also to allow for motorhome manouvres. So does anybody think it likely
that the club would produce a series of substandard pitches (in terms of width) that the majority of members would not wish to utilise? I can think of few (if any sites) where such a provision outside the main pitching areas would not have a serious detriment
on the clubs ability to provide enough pitches for other members. I also think that the costs involved might well not be recouped. I can see many logistical problems whuch would incur more expense and problems and so cannot see it happening any time soon.
If it was believed that night halts complying with site licensing requirements within the UK was a worthwhile financial scheme that somebody would have provided them.ETA. I hope you realised that when I said that you don't half say daft things that it was in Fun
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Sorry to hear about the layoff for you Peedee, best wishes for a speedy sort out.
We have used show grounds, CLs for years, never had a problem with fresh water, waste water or elsan. Standard provision on both. Like others, if permission granted by owners (and most are fine) we put waste grey water into hedgerow away from pitches, or it is bucketed into a waste water point. I know some MHs have low empty taps, but most folks manage perfectly well, even without carrying a bulky waste master.
I would be very surprised if any MH manufacturer is designing one without a waste tank. Few would buy it because of the resale issue. Same as a caravan with no bathroom. Didn't catch on, despite thousands not using one, because for some folks, the resale/ trade in can be more important than actually using the thing! A crazy conundrum!
Write your comments here...
Sorry to hear about the layoff for you Peedee, best wishes for a speedy sort out.
We have used show grounds, CLs for years, never had a problem with fresh water, waste water or elsan. Standard provision on both. Like others, if permission granted by owners (and most are fine) we put waste grey water into hedgerow away from pitches, or it is bucketed into a waste water point. I know some MHs have low empty taps, but most folks manage perfectly well, even without carrying a bulky waste master.
I would be very surprised if any MH manufacturer is designing one without a waste tank. Few would buy it because of the resale issue. Same as a caravan with no bathroom. Didn't catch on, despite thousands not using one, because for some folks, the resale/ trade in can be more important than actually using the thing! A crazy conundrum
..well the one so not fitted has come back on site after out for its photo shoot
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The all electric 'van didn't catch on. It did have two gas rings I think)
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We have actually been on site when a M/H asked to come on and fill with fresh water, empty waste tank and toilet. Warden obliged, don't know if there was a charge. There was no snarl up of traffic, no problem at MH service point. The world didn't stop turning,
other campers didn't perform a sit in at the barrier. To be perfectly honest if OH hadn't have been within earshot at the time of the warden giving permission no one would have been any the wiser.0 -
We have actually been on site when a M/H asked to come on and fill with fresh water, empty waste tank and toilet. Warden obliged, don't know if there was a charge. There was no snarl up of traffic, no problem at MH service point. The world didn't stop turning,
other campers didn't perform a sit in at the barrier. To be perfectly honest if OH hadn't have been within earshot at the time of the warden giving permission no one would have been any the wiser.That should be the norm TG
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Refusing water to a paid up member who cannot get in because it's full up? Anyone would think this is not really a club but a multi million pound business.
Oh, it is a multi million pound busines so get your water somewhere else. Go away now we need to make some more money
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Refusing water to a paid up member who cannot get in because it's full up? Anyone would think this is not really a club but a multi million pound business.
Oh, it is a multi million pound busines so get your water somewhere else. Go away now we need to make some more money
...I do not think any warden or manager or site owner would refuse anyone some water a watering can full should sufice,it's the cost of disposal of grey And black waste that if required should be paid for
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Refusing water to a paid up member who cannot get in because it's full up? Anyone would think this is not really a club but a multi million pound business.
Oh, it is a multi million pound busines so get your water somewhere else. Go away now we need to make some more money
As far as I am aware that particular scenario did no happen. The OP said:
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Imagine a scenario where a club member turns up at a site while touring having not pre booked and the site is full. Is it true they will also be denied access to water before they move on.
Will they be denied access to the elsan as members also?'
The discussion has been about the general principle of allowin vehicles to enter the site for the sole purpose of emptying waste and filling up rather than adressing the imaginary scenario.
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Refusing water to a paid up member who cannot get in because it's full up? Anyone would think this is not really a club but a multi million pound business.
Oh, it is a multi million pound busines so get your water somewhere else. Go away now we need to make some more money
...I do not think any warden or manager or site owner would refuse anyone some water a watering can full should sufice,it's the cost of disposal of grey And black waste that if required should be paid for
CC Site insurance may be an issue should an incidient occur involving the non booked in vehicle/driver or any passengers.
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Sorry to hear about the layoff for you Peedee, best wishes for a speedy sort out.
We have used show grounds, CLs for years, never had a problem with fresh water, waste water or elsan. Standard provision on both. Like others, if permission granted by owners (and most are fine) we put waste grey water into hedgerow away from pitches, or
it is bucketed into a waste water point. I know some MHs have low empty taps, but most folks manage perfectly well, even without carrying a bulky waste master.I would be very surprised if any MH manufacturer is designing one without a waste tank. Few would buy it because of the resale issue. Same as a caravan with no bathroom. Didn't catch on, despite thousands not using one, because for some folks, the resale/
trade in can be more important than actually using the thing! A crazy conundrum!Write your comments here...
Sorry to hear about the layoff for you Peedee, best wishes for a speedy sort out.
We have used show grounds, CLs for years, never had a problem with fresh water, waste water or elsan. Standard provision on both. Like others, if permission granted by owners (and most are fine) we put waste grey water into hedgerow away from pitches, or
it is bucketed into a waste water point. I know some MHs have low empty taps, but most folks manage perfectly well, even without carrying a bulky waste master.I would be very surprised if any MH manufacturer is designing one without a waste tank. Few would buy it because of the resale issue. Same as a caravan with no bathroom. Didn't catch on, despite thousands not using one, because for some folks, the resale/
trade in can be more important than actually using the thing! A crazy conundrum..well the one so not fitted has come back on site after out for its photo shoot
I wasn't doubting what you posted JVB, far from it!
What I found peculiar was that someone would design a tourer to drive round, (making
it ideal for moving about, taking out here and there, on a frequent basis) but then having it rely on an exterior waste tank, to be emptied on a site frequently rather than every 3/4 days. We have one of those, and it's called a caravan, a posh one mind, with
onboard water storage tank! Just doesn't make sense to me, that's all. But no doubt there will be a market, it takes all sorts!
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On the bright side! the more members that the Ivory tower and its foot soldiers can upset the better. Its getting far too hard to get a booking lol
Write your comments here...off thread axe grinding
Not at all. I started this thread after hearing of a friend and previous member being denied a top up of water despite wanting to stay the night. They consequently finished with the CC has have many who over the years have been upset by one thing or another.
My question was answered within the first few pages and I wont be leaving as a result of any of my experiences thank you.
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...I do not think any warden or manager or site owner would refuse anyone some water a watering can full should sufice,it's the cost of disposal of grey And black waste that if required should be paid for
CC Site insurance may be an issue should an incidient occur involving the non booked in vehicle/driver or any passengers.
Unlikely. We're talking about members here. If the insurance has loopholes like that, CC needs to change the provider. Public liability cover will be in place to cover ..... the public.
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Refusing water to a paid up member who cannot get in because it's full up? Anyone would think this is not really a club but a multi million pound business.
Oh, it is a multi million pound busines so get your water somewhere else. Go away now we need to make some more money
...I do not think any warden or manager or site owner would refuse anyone some water a watering can full should sufice,it's the cost of disposal of grey And black waste that if required should be paid for
...Strange why you think like that JV, for me a charge for fresh water would make more sense as water can be bought from a shop if needed and no danger to the enviroment. However the unscrupulous ones will dump toilet waste and grey waste anywhere if they
are desperate. I know we are talking about UK but abroad its the water that you pay for and the dumping is free.0
