Fresh water yes or no?

If the motor van that is "on test" behind us now is the future, there must have been some thought as to how most stay on sites, as it does not have a waste tank but caravan style waste outlets,and it is not from a small company either, is weight saving now creeping into m/vans

Unfortunately the Club is not really a touring organisation. At peak times you have to book in advance so you can't amble around the country stopping at Club sites on a whim. Actually, in the UK you can't really turn up at any site on a whim during weekends,
school holidays etc. Also, there is no equivalent to continental Aires either so the whole touring thing is rather difficult which is why many people tour abroad.

We don't tour in the UK but surely there is a directory somewhere of motorhome service points? 

I am sure that it isn't quite as easy as touring abroad, which we  cannot try at the moment, but we have found it very easy to do short tours in UK over last 18 months. We don't always book prior to setting off, and if we do, only a couple of days in front,
but we haven't had any problems finding places to stay. Easy if you do a mix of site types, but relying solely on Club Sites would be a problem. We even found ourselves totally alone on a lovely CL last August in North Norfolk! So it can be done if you are
flexible!

If the motor van that is "on test" behind us now is the future, there must have been some thought as to how most stay on sites, as it does not have a waste tank but caravan style waste outlets,and it is not from a small company either, is weight saving now creeping into m/vans

how do you know it hasnt got a waste tank?

we have a large waste tank, but when on a serviced pitch, i can screw a special hose to our outlet and let it drain directly.

...it could easily be interpreted as 'having no waste tank and having a caravan style outlet"...

contrary to the suggestion in your post, fresh and waste tanks are getting larger and larger, enabling folk to stay away from sites for far longer....

even some PVCs (eg Carthago Malibu) now are fitted with 100 ltr fresh tank.....

ok, some Autosleepers are fitted with tiny tanks but just highlights another difference in styles.....

...It's called speaking to the tester I had a tour as long as I did not mention the manufacturer's name you may have to wait until it's launch,it just fitted into this thread when we were speaking ,and they are also of the opinion that it is wrong to expect site owners to spend large amounts of money on m/van waste points because of poor design of waste outlets

To those who think that the drain and fresh water facilities should be re-positioned outside the site barrier (or elsewhere) I would estimate the cost would be in the region of £10,000 or more.

Having witnessed the CC estates department in action on various projects, this figure could be far, far higher.

Add to this the fact that site access roads would probably be blocked for many weeks (I'm using the 2 years to refurbish the toilet block at Broadway as a benchmark) and the added lost income due to this........how many people paying £7.20 to empty their
waste would this require to recoup?

...The reason Broadway took so long was a "problem"with the roof of the old building (goods shed ) and who was to pay for rectification

Well, according to the site staff who were there at the time, it was a problem under the floor!

And why would anyone spend 2 years debating who was going to pay for repairs to a CC owned building?

Having dealt with building contractors all my working life, it was clear to me that someone was making themselves some extra work there.

And as BB says, the CC do not move quickly on anything.....20 years to change waste points to something that actually works, being a prime example.

Imagine a scenario where a club member turns up at a site while touring having not pre booked and the site is full. Is it true they will also be denied access to water before they move on.

Will they be denied access to the elsan as members also?

I can only see this scenario happening by having been wild camping or bad planning before leaving the last site.  C & CC membership would seem appropriate as their sites provide this service at a charge.

To those who think that the drain and fresh water facilities should be re-positioned outside the site barrier (or elsewhere) I would estimate the cost would be in the region of £10,000 or more.

Having witnessed the CC estates department in action on various projects, this figure could be far, far higher.

Add to this the fact that site access roads would probably be blocked for many weeks (I'm using the 2 years to refurbish the toilet block at Broadway as a benchmark) and the added lost income due to this........how many people paying £7.20 to empty their
waste would this require to recoup?

...The reason Broadway took so long was a "problem"with the roof of the old building (goods shed ) and who was to pay for rectification

Well, according to the site staff who were there at the time, it was a problem under the floor!

And why would anyone spend 2 years debating who was going to pay for repairs to a CC owned building?

Having dealt with building contractors all my working life, it was clear to me that someone was making themselves some extra work there.

And as BB says, the CC do not move quickly on anything.....20 years to change waste points to something that actually works, being a prime example.

...It was leased until bought by the club and there was a poor serveyers report that failed to pick up the defects the roof  was the main problem

.. they are also of the opinion that it is wrong to expect site owners to spend large amounts of money on m/van waste points because of poor design of waste outlets

Even if motorhomes came with a extension fitted you still have to lift a heavy cover on most club sites. I bought a motorhome to make touring easier not more difficult. If everyone thought like you and the owner of the trial van there wouldn't even be any
serviced pitches. Its all about cutomer service and those that provide what most require will bring in the punters more than those that don't.

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...The testers of the van are from a very prominent UK publication available from any newsagents 

..so, these 'testers' are telling you that MHers want a van that has no waste tank so that they can pretend to be a caravan and not to have to deal with poorly designed MHSP...?

so the answer to badly sited and designed waste points is to avoid them all together by 'buying the latest MH design'.....a caravan

was Jeremy Beadle 'about' when you were having this little chat...what was the date, sometime in April?

OK, some 'campervans' like VWs (and even smaller) dont have  water tanks, but once you get upto Ducato sized PVCs we are looking at proper live in type vans.....are ypu saying it was even larger than this, and a full sized coachbuilt....(notwithstanding
your 'confidentiality clause' with MMM/PM/WM.....)

A..The test is still going on the vehicle is being taken to a photo shoot spot today

....and, is it a small 'campervan', a larger Ducato type PVC or is it a coachbuilt MH? 

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