What if we leave the EU?
I am not wanting a political discussion about the pros and cons of membership of the EU but I was reflecting on whether or not holidaying on the continent would be affected by Brexit. Apart from the obvious border controls etc, do you think that there will
be hostility to Brits? Do any CC club members already experience any hostility?
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Absolutely none! We've met no hostility whatsoever on our trips to France, Spain, and elsewhere. I can't imagine that it will make any difference. We've been holidaying in Europe before we were in the EU, we continued whilst we were in the EU, and will still continue if we ever come out of the EU!
We had a long discussion on a campsite in the Gers, in French, during the time of the Scottish referendum, with a Belgian and a French man. The consensus was that it was really only the Germans who wanted an EU in the first place! (And I won't go into what they said about Why!!!!)
I'm not really quite sure why you think it will have any major effect.
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I would not think it would make a great deal of difference, even to borders once you had arrived in your first EU country. There are no controls at most of the borders, so it is unlikely they would single out the British. It might put up health insurance though if reciprocal agreements were discontinued. As to hostility, No and No.
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valda
i was asking a question not posing a view, I did not say that I thought it would make a major effect. I was asking if it was possible.
The Scottish referendum raised tensions and hostility between us that saddened me greatly. Before that I had not been aware of how many scots appeared to dislike the English. I had never met a Scot I disliked.
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We've never experienced any hostility towards us on any of our travels, in Europe, or further afield.
If we decide to leave, as Steve has said, the E111 reciprocal health insurance will discontinue, and I'm not sure about car insurance, ours covers us for all EU countries, but doubt if that will continue either.
And, I assume, the limits on wine etc brought back to the UK will revert to the 3 litres level.
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And, I assume, the limits on wine etc brought back to the UK will revert to the 3 litres level.
Need to stock up soonNow that might lead to some hostility - although we always seemed to manage to bring in more than the limits, before 2002 when they still existed.
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I used to go to the Continent with my parents in the 60s and we got by then and we will get by in the future whatever form it may take.As for "hostility" well Euroscepticism is not confined to the UK population so I doubt that the Continentals would take
a Brexit as a personal affront-it might even catch on elsewhere?0 -
valda
i was asking a question not posing a view, I did not say that I thought it would make a major effect. I was asking if it was possible.
The Scottish referendum raised tensions and hostility between us that saddened me greatly. Before that I had not been aware of how many scots appeared to dislike the English. I had never met a Scot I disliked.
As a Norwegian who has lived in Scotland for a total of some 50 years now, I can perhaps shed some light on that.
I have observed that SOME English people who come to Scotland, often to take up well paid positions, do tend to feel themselves superior to the natives, I have noticed the same amongst my own countrymen in well paid positions in the oil
industry in Aberdeen. I find this very embarassing.Generally, they have no idea that they are giving this impression, which is not good.
Living in an "upmarket" suburb of Glasgow, we have a lot of English and European immigrants, and the attitude of some does nothing to endear them to the locals.
I have also noticed that a lot of English people do feel that they are supporting Scotland, which is true to a degree, and that if England had voted in the referendum, Scotland would have been out on its ear. With a sparse population compared to England,
and much greater distances between places, it does of course mean more expensive infrastructure, and fewer economies of scale.0 -
I agree that euroscepticism is not confined to the UK but in my travels over many years I have also met ordinary people who have been puzzled by the UK attitude to the EU. I did a study tour with the Kings Fund about 10 years ago and we stayed in Brussels,
looking at how the Eu worked and meeting key figures I was struck then by how the concept of a united europe working in co-operation, looked and felt very different when you are standing in Brussels. If Brexit happens I don't think our relationship with Europe
will go back to pre EU days. The U.K. will have rejected them and rejection is never liked.0 -
To be honest, a lot of the French people in 'our village' in the Aude, seem to think the EU was a mistake. We have a friend there who works for the European Commission and she's one of the most Eurosceptic of anyone we've ever met.
However, it's a impossible topic to discuss, as are disclosing her reasons for being Eurosceptic, without being political..................!
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I don't think anybody really knows. As requested I'm keeping this without political opinion. The following are possible:
Longer waits to get into/out of a EU country, as no so called 'fast track' lane
Possible visa requirements
No EHIC so fewer reciprocal health benefits
Duty free restrictions imposed (e.g. limited purchases for example on buying wine in France)
Additional taxes, for example on permanent pitches, storage
Roaming charges reintroducedBut again nobody really knows as there will be lots of negotiation.
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Why should berexit make a difference To travelling? Does anyone seriously think the Zfrench/Italians or who ever will not still want our money? The world doesn't stop at the EU, some people even manage to live, travel, go on holiday ( yes, really) and work
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..... Before that I had not been aware of how many scots appeared to dislike the English. ....
You've obviously never lived there .....
There are a few things that niggle.
e.g.......why do the BBC feel the Scots are incapable of reporting on national news on something that happens in Scotland.
In the recent bad floods, reporters were sent up from England. Why?
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My spelling often leaves much to be desired too!Were the natives unfriendly?
...We and a 40+ others have except last new year, spent seven years in either Irvine or Ayr with a music group we have known for years,and have all found it safer to use other forms of transport to get around rather than subject English registered cars to
"attention" in public car parks
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There are a few things that niggle.
e.g.......why do the BBC feel the Scots are incapable of reporting on national news on something that happens in Scotland.
In the recent bad floods, reporters were sent up from England. Why?
There are plenty of Scots that report south of the border ....
The BBC are reluctant to report anything north of Watford gap.
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My spelling often leaves much to be desired too!
Were the natives unfriendly?
...We and a 40+ others have except last new year, spent seven years in either Irvine or Ayr with a music group we have known for years,and have all found it safer to use other forms of transport to get around rather than subject English registered cars to
"attention" in public car parksPlenty of "non-Scottish" registered cars around, after all plenty are bought second hand but keep the original registration.
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There are a few things that niggle.
e.g.......why do the BBC feel the Scots are incapable of reporting on national news on something that happens in Scotland.
In the recent bad floods, reporters were sent up from England. Why?
There are plenty of Scots that report south of the border ....
The BBC are reluctant to report anything north of Watford gap.
Yes, we have noticed that many of our reporters have moved south, e.g. Laura Kunessberg (is that how you spell it?), but these are permanent moves.
Bit different frrom sending someone up from London to report on a happening in Scotland, when there are plenty of experienced reporters in BBC Scotland.
Like I said, it's the little things.......
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I'll add that my Mother in law is from Edinburgh.
When SWMBO worked in Edinburgh the office was split according to religeon
She'd to sit with the Left FootersReally? Not something I have ever come across, and I have worked in both Edinburgh and Glasgow.
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My spelling often leaves much to be desired too!
Were the natives unfriendly?
...We and a 40+ others have except last new year, spent seven years in either Irvine or Ayr with a music group we have known for years,and have all found it safer to use other forms of transport to get around rather than subject English registered cars to
"attention" in public car parksPlenty of "non-Scottish" registered cars around, after all plenty are bought second hand but keep the original registration.
Its probably like most things blown out of all proportion as is usual these days ,one or two were damaged so "lots" were affected
we
were never effected as we always went by train,(cheaper for us
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There are a few things that niggle.
e.g.......why do the BBC feel the Scots are incapable of reporting on national news on something that happens in Scotland.
In the recent bad floods, reporters were sent up from England. Why?
There are plenty of Scots that report south of the border ....
The BBC are reluctant to report anything north of Watford gap.
Yes, we have noticed that many of our reporters have moved south, e.g. Laura Kunessberg (is that how you spell it?), but these are permanent moves.
Bit different frrom sending someone up from London to report on a happening in Scotland, when there are plenty of experienced reporters in BBC Scotland.
Like I said, it's the little things.......
...But the BBC is now mostly based in "media city" Salford quays so it could be "nearer",we have just spent a few days in Edinburgh,and they were complaining that news is all Glasgow based
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