Cold water system
Hi again,
Well we've been here a day and really struggling with water system.
With a bit of luck we managed to fill the onboard tank from the aquaroll, and managed to have water all day. But now the tank is empty which I've refilled but the water is not coming thru.
We have,
An on board tank
Aquaroll
Switch panel above door with electrics and battery/water level gauge. Tank or aquaroll switch.
And a switch labelled " Tank Fill"
Valve under the seat to tank
And a yellow valve switch which I'm guessing is the hot water tank drain.
Can someone please tell me how this all works!!
The guy did explain when we collected van but there was that much to take in its been forgot
Cheers
Dave
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Its a Swift Conqueror 580
The handbook doesnt tell you how to get water to the taps!!
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So, if I've got this right, you've filled the onboard tank from the external Aquaroll but the water refuses to leave your tank and come out of the taps?
Is there a switch on your panel for pump/taps? There usually is to allow you to turn the pump off when you go out to avoid returning to a flooded van should a leak develop.
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Yeah, I've switched the valve off on the feed from the aquaroll. Switched off the tank fill switch, switched to "tank" on the leccy panel but no water
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It's near impossible to diagnose without seeing the set up, GC. My only other suggestions are to appeal for help to someone with a similar van on site, or the warden - although he probably won't be happy at this hour.
Alternatively, you might stand a better chance of finding someone on here who knows if you post in the Caravan section.
Sorry, I can't help further.
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Thanks Tin appreciate the input,
Guess we'll be headin home stinking
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Wish I had the magic answer, GC.
I'd throw myself on the mercy of another vanner or warden in your position. If they shy away you'll know you're stinking.
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Do you have a button on your control panel marked "Levels" GC ??
If you have = press it, it should shew if your fresh tank is holding water and the voltage of your Habitation Battery..
then do you have button marked "water pump" or just "pump". If so Press it & you should hear the pump going ! If it does not run, it sounds like an electric problem. If it runs but still no water ensure you have a
Hot tap open, then a Cold tap == if no water comes close both & turn off pump 'cos it may be running dry == some pumps can do themselves damage if running dry.Sadly here endeth any help I may or may not have been able to offer
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Can you pump water through your taps from the aquaroll? That will at least establish that the pump is working. It could just be an airlock.
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Its a swift conqueror 580 sal 2004
All water vessels full
Both pumps working
There is a switch to change from onboard tank to aquaroll.
A tank fill switch
A valve by the on board tank
We had it all working off the onboard until i needed to refill it
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I have a 2008 ace I have a very similar problem on accasions pump is working but no water usually an airlock. Try unplugging the fillter pipe from the van take fillter out of aquarole then put fillter back into aquarole giggle it about then plug it into
the connecter on the side of van turn on hot water tap this usually works.0 -
It's not quite the same, KG. The OP has pumped water from his Aquaroll into the onboard tank but cannot then pump it from the tank to get it to come out of the taps.
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It would seem logical that the external pump, when selected, could supply the taps direct from the Aquaroll, and that the internal pump, when selected, could supply water from the onboard tank, but there is the added complication of the tank fill switch.
Instructions for filling say to plug in the external pump, select external pump on control panel and turn it on using another switch, presumably the tank fill switch. one also needs to have a valve on the pipework in the correct position to allow water
to flow into the tank.Once the tank is full, according to the handbook, the external pump should be deselected, the tank fill switch turned off, the external pump umplugged, and presumably the pipe valve returned to its using position, though this is not stated.
It then refers to selecting internal pump and opening a tap.
It makes no mention of using direct from the Aquaroll at this point, though it says earlier that this is possible.
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If GC's system has only one valve with 2 positions, one position must allow filling of tank and the other position allow water to flow direct to the taps from outside.
The question is which is the correct position for using from the tank, possibly the filling position? In which case the valve should not be altered when moving between "filling tank" and "using from tank".
As you said TW, very tricky to advise without seeing exactly what is there!
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I think you've summed it up, Kjell, as far as it's possible to without being on hand.
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Mmm, I've now had a look at the water layout diagram in a 2004 handbook, seems to be only one valve, so a fill/use tank position, and a use Aquaroll position.
The wiring diagram in the 2004 technical handbook does not shed much light on how the various switches interface, so I just wonder if having the external pump plugged in somehow interferes with getting water to the taps, as it specifically says to unplug it after filling.
With a switch that selects only one pump at a time, I cannot see how having the external pump in place should affect anything.
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Hi again K,
Yes it is a pressurized system with micro switches on the taps.
Having read your in depth posts I can only confirm that you are on the right track.
I'm obviously missing something to get the water from supply to taps, like the newbie numpty I apparently am!!
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Yes it is a pressurized system with micro switches on the taps. ....
They are two different systems. Pressurised systems have a pressure switch that detects a drop in pressure & runs the pump up until the system is back to pressure ie you open a tap, pressure switch sees drop in pressure, runs pumps, you get water out of
tap, you close tap and the pump can now pressurise the system which the pressure switch sees & stops the pumps. Microswitched system works by switching the pump on via any of the microswitchs on each of the taps.0 -
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Yes it is a pressurized system with micro switches on the taps. ....
They are two different systems. Pressurised systems have a pressure switch that detects a drop in pressure & runs the pump up until the system is back to pressure ie you open a tap, pressure switch sees drop in pressure, runs pumps, you get water out of
tap, you close tap and the pump can now pressurise the system which the pressure switch sees & stops the pumps. Microswitched system works by switching the pump on via any of the microswitchs on each of the taps.Write your comments here...
The micro switches only kick in when it senses water pressure, so Im led to believe
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Hmm.
Have you unplugged the external pump? If not, do that now.
Is your internal pump in the onboard tank, or separate?
Which way have you got the valve on the pipework set?
When you open a tap, which pump runs?
Write your comments here...
The onboard tank has its own pump,
The valve is in the off position, as the tank is full and dont require feed from that pipe, (which goes to the Whale pump connection).
We're back home now, later I shall fill the vessels up with water and try to fathom (ahem!
) It all out without any pressure (ahem!) off my dearest better half.
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Can you, later, look at your handbook and confirm whether it shows (on around page 25) a diagram of a typical water layout?
If so, does it show there being only one pipe to/from the onboard tank?
Is that in fact what you have in the van?
If so, if you close the valve on that pipe, you cannot get any water to the taps from that tank.
The valve should only be closed if you wish to use direct from the Aquaroll.
Regarding the internal pump, what I was asking is whether it is actually IN the tank, or somewhere on the visible pipework. I would expect it to be in the tank if your pipework is as shown in the handbook.
Just trying to build up an accurate picture of exactly what you have.
The handbook I have seen is not particularly informative IMO.
Did you unplug the external pump when you had finished filling the onboard tank, as per the handbook instructions?
Not doing so may have some (not immediately obvious) affect on getting/not getting water to the taps.
BTW....you could do worse than join up on SwiftTalk, quite a few helpful owners and Swift people on there.
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K, your a star, I'll go see Swift talk now,
I shall report back later in the week when I have time to go thru the system again.
Cheers for your input
Dave
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Yes it is a pressurized system with micro switches on the taps. ....
They are two different systems. Pressurised systems have a pressure switch that detects a drop in pressure & runs the pump up until the system is back to pressure ie you open a tap, pressure switch sees drop in pressure, runs pumps, you get water out of
tap, you close tap and the pump can now pressurise the system which the pressure switch sees & stops the pumps. Microswitched system works by switching the pump on via any of the microswitchs on each of the taps.Write your comments here...
The micro switches only kick in when it senses water pressure, so Im led to believe
No they don't ..... it works as described above
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oops I think that should be jiggle. 