Can I empty clean water onto pitch?
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Same here Tinster, I never drained mine either. It worked every year I cranked it up again
Rocky, another aspect is that the caravan industry uses push fit connectors on the pipes and they rely on pressure in the system to maintain a good seal. Therefore, by draining the system, pressure is released from the pipes and the vibration caused when
towing/driving the cvan/MH can cause pipes to move thus damaging the seals which could then leak when the system is repressurised.0 -
Why drain down on a pitch anyway? Why not dump where you store it if you cannot be bothered to take left over water to a disposal point.
Re regular drain down of Alde system, I beleive that is the recommendation in the handbook. I don't think it is to prevent damage but to make sure and aire cushion is built up to absorb presure surges
peedee
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Oh the Motormoaners are ganging up
when most open their taps fully and overwhelming the drain so it runs all over the road,
besides not bothering to align properly
Maybe they should dump their grey waste on the pitch followed by the fresh water tank and boiler water to wash it away.
Then the road at the service point will be nice and dry.........
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Oh the Motormoaners are ganging up
when most open their taps fully and overwhelming the drain so it runs all over the road,
besides not bothering to align properlySteady on Dave I Find that a tad unkind
!Had you watched me prep[aring for the drive home from Durham Grange on Tuesday you would have seen me align Grey tap with Grid ( a good drain point on this site !! ), drain fully then reposition & empty fresh water into
same point & finish with a splash all round from the site's hose !Personally I would find the dumping of any waste, be it fresh or grey, on any pitch, grass, hardstanding or Serviced purely a demonstration of idleness, nothing less.
Brian
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You should see the disgusting state done MH-ers Ieave the MHSP in. Some give no thought to rinsing down the drain area after them.
I must add that in 40+ years of cvanning/MHing, I have never drained my water heater other than at the end of a season. There's no point, in my view. The weight is minimal and the element is less likely to corrode with water in the boiler.
neither have I ever disposed of clean water on a pitch. Under a hedge, in a flower bed, around a tree, yes, but not on the pitch itself.Forgetting the rest of the debate for the moment. Leaving the boiler all season is not possible if it is an Alde. Not unless you want to cause damage and possibly invalidate any warranty.
Where did you get that information Steve? I have heard it said before but no one has been able to show me any Alde documentation to say such.
The information comes from my 2014 Unicorn handbook under the section Alde Heating System. It states "the system should be emptied approx once a month to ensure that a new air cushion is formed in the heater. The air cushion is essential for absorbing pressure
surges in the heater." I appreciate that people may have used their systems continuously without damage, but as the advice is there, I think it wise to follow it. If any damage attributable to a surge occured during the warranty period, they may say they would
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You should see the disgusting state done MH-ers Ieave the MHSP in. Some give no thought to rinsing down the drain area after them.
I must add that in 40+ years of cvanning/MHing, I have never drained my water heater other than at the end of a season. There's no point, in my view. The weight is minimal and the element is less likely to corrode with water in the boiler.
neither have I ever disposed of clean water on a pitch. Under a hedge, in a flower bed, around a tree, yes, but not on the pitch itself.Forgetting the rest of the debate for the moment. Leaving the boiler all season is not possible if it is an Alde. Not unless you want to cause damage and possibly invalidate any warranty.
Where did you get that information Steve? I have heard it said before but no one has been able to show me any Alde documentation to say such.
The information comes from my 2014 Unicorn handbook under the section Alde Heating System. It states "the system should be emptied approx once a month to ensure that a new air cushion is formed in the heater. The air cushion is essential for absorbing pressure
surges in the heater." I appreciate that people may have used their systems continuously without damage, but as the advice is there, I think it wise to follow it. If any damage attributable to a surge occured during the warranty period, they may say they would
not cover it.When you think about it, Steve, it would be impossible to prove misuse by not draining. I suspect Alde are covering their backs. In any case, once per month is a far cry from each time you Ieave a site which seems to be what a lot of people advocate.
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"I was talking about emptying the boiler water on the pitch (not the aquaroll, about 10L) and the difficulty of aligning the drain tube (unknown location somewhere under the van) then either putting the steadies down or getting
into the van while hitched up, getting back into the caravan to open the valve, take the steadies down and then drive offBut your point is taken"
Corners, the location of your drain tube is only unknown because you havent looked where it is....all MH are required to do this as, by not doing so, will inevitibly result in sparaying their waste everywhere but in the right place....
...and surely you dont need to wind steadies down to step into the van to open a valve?
so, really, no different to the process that we (MHers) are 'required' to carry out?
its easy once you (are prepared to) get the hang of it....
except we don't have to do it, we empty 10L of clean water onto a pitch.
Everyone's choice but I was taught it's not a good idea to get into a caravan once it's hitched without at least one steady
its simple....dont.
its no different than a MH 'only dumping 20 ltr' on a pitch....or 30...or.....
if you cant stand in a caravan without steadies (lord knows why not....will it break?) then whats wrong with doing as others suggest, draining the hot through the sink into the wastemaster and then dumping it properly?
dumping water onto a pitch, fresh or otherwise, is (IMHO) lazy and bad form.
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i can see that, for frost protection purposes, a vanner might want to dump the hot water boiler contents of the van is not to be used and there is the risk of frost....
however, get rid of that water responsibly....not on the pitch, thanks.
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"I was talking about emptying the boiler water on the pitch (not the aquaroll, about 10L) and the difficulty of aligning the drain tube (unknown location somewhere under the van) then either putting the steadies down or getting
into the van while hitched up, getting back into the caravan to open the valve, take the steadies down and then drive offBut your point is taken"
Corners, the location of your drain tube is only unknown because you havent looked where it is....all MH are required to do this as, by not doing so, will inevitibly result in sparaying their waste everywhere but in the right place....
...and surely you dont need to wind steadies down to step into the van to open a valve?
so, really, no different to the process that we (MHers) are 'required' to carry out?
its easy once you (are prepared to) get the hang of it....
except we don't have to do it, we empty 10L of clean water onto a pitch.
Everyone's choice but I was taught it's not a good idea to get into a caravan once it's hitched without at least one steady
its simple....dont.
its no different than a MH 'only dumping 20 ltr' on a pitch....or 30...or.....
if you cant stand in a caravan without steadies (lord knows why not....will it break?) then whats wrong with doing as others suggest, draining the hot through the sink into the wastemaster and then dumping it properly?
dumping water onto a pitch, fresh or otherwise, is (IMHO) lazy and bad form.
but has been done for many years, even before HS
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SL, they didn't need to consider whether they would cover anything. I never had a problem
. If I did then I'd sort it. I've never been
a slave to warranty's, I do things that suit me & that has never included worrying about jumping thru manufacturers hoops.0 -
Disregarding what opinion you may have re draining 10 L onto the pitch. Is there any regulation / rule against it? There seems to be rules about a lot of other things, but I don't recall one about that. Although I do recall something about not draining hot
water onto grass, which I don't think even us advocates of draining would ever condone.0 -
SL, they didn't need to consider whether they would cover anything. I never had a problem
. If I did then I'd sort it. I've never been
a slave to warranty's, I do things that suit me & that has never included worrying about jumping thru manufacturers hoops.Rocky I accept your take on the situation, you have never had a problem. However, I assume manufactures don't go to the trouble of providing false information. Therefore, I think I will continue to follow it. If it is unnecessary, I will have wasted a small
amount of my time. To drain on pitch, or not, is quite another question.0 -
Disregarding what opinion you may have re draining 10 L onto the pitch. Is there any regulation / rule against it? There seems to be rules about a lot of other things, but I don't recall one about that. Although I do recall something about not draining hot
water onto grass, which I don't think even us advocates of draining would ever condone.I suspect CC thought common sense would dictate not to chuck water of any sort onto pitches, Steve. They can't create rules to cover every little occurrence of day to day living on site.
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Does anyone sit and read the small print on anything we buy ??, no , Usally just rip the box open and start playing with it ,and then go back to the manual ..........
I tend to husky when it's £2000 or so of kit. However must admit for, phones, cameras and watches, to which I think you can do less damage, I'm like you.
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SL, they didn't need to consider whether they would cover anything. I never had a problem
. If I did then I'd sort it. I've never been
a slave to warranty's, I do things that suit me & that has never included worrying about jumping thru manufacturers hoops.Rocky I accept your take on the situation, you have never had a problem. However, I assume manufactures don't go to the trouble of providing false information. Therefore, I think I will continue to follow it. If it is unnecessary, I will have wasted a small
amount of my time. To drain on pitch, or not, is quite another question.SL, they're hoops, nothing more or less. They employ folk to invent 'get out clauses' similar to insurance companys selling 'extreme sports' cover that(in the small print) excludes-rock climbing, skiing, bungee jumping, scuba diving etc. we have all read
the horror stories of manufacturers warranties. Not for me-no hoops=no stress0 -
SL, they didn't need to consider whether they would cover anything. I never had a problem
. If I did then I'd sort it. I've never been
a slave to warranty's, I do things that suit me & that has never included worrying about jumping thru manufacturers hoops.Rocky I accept your take on the situation, you have never had a problem. However, I assume manufactures don't go to the trouble of providing false information. Therefore, I think I will continue to follow it. If it is unnecessary, I will have wasted a small
amount of my time. To drain on pitch, or not, is quite another question.SL, they're hoops, nothing more or less. They employ folk to invent 'get out clauses' similar to insurance companys selling 'extreme sports' cover that(in the small print) excludes-rock climbing, skiing, bungee jumping, scuba diving etc. we have all read
the horror stories of manufacturers warranties. Not for me-no hoops=no stressWell said, Rocky. It's unusual to find someone of a like mind where caravan warranties are concerned. The dealers and manufacturers will shift heaven and earth to get out of meeting a claim. Been there, done that and now we go our own stress free way and
repair any problems ourselves. The relatively small cost involved is far outweighed by the saving in time and hassle that dealing with the big white sharks involves.0 -
SL, they didn't need to consider whether they would cover anything. I never had a problem
. If I did then I'd sort it. I've never been
a slave to warranty's, I do things that suit me & that has never included worrying about jumping thru manufacturers hoops.Rocky I accept your take on the situation, you have never had a problem. However, I assume manufactures don't go to the trouble of providing false information. Therefore, I think I will continue to follow it. If it is unnecessary, I will have wasted a small
amount of my time. To drain on pitch, or not, is quite another question.SL, they're hoops, nothing more or less. They employ folk to invent 'get out clauses' similar to insurance companys selling 'extreme sports' cover that(in the small print) excludes-rock climbing, skiing, bungee jumping, scuba diving etc. we have all read
the horror stories of manufacturers warranties. Not for me-no hoops=no stressWell said, Rocky. It's unusual to find someone of a like mind where caravan warranties are concerned. The dealers and manufacturers will shift heaven and earth to get out of meeting a claim. Been there, done that and now we go our own stress free way and
repair any problems ourselves. The relatively small cost involved is far outweighed by the saving in time and hassle that dealing with the big white sharks involves.I'd go with that but unfortunately 'big' issues like water ingress, or floor delamination mean it is crucial to follow their warranty conditions. Don't give them the ammunition to weasel out of correcting their mistakes!
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SL, they didn't need to consider whether they would cover anything. I never had a problem
. If I did then I'd sort it. I've never been
a slave to warranty's, I do things that suit me & that has never included worrying about jumping thru manufacturers hoops.Rocky I accept your take on the situation, you have never had a problem. However, I assume manufactures don't go to the trouble of providing false information. Therefore, I think I will continue to follow it. If it is unnecessary, I will have wasted a small
amount of my time. To drain on pitch, or not, is quite another question.SL, they're hoops, nothing more or less. They employ folk to invent 'get out clauses' similar to insurance companys selling 'extreme sports' cover that(in the small print) excludes-rock climbing, skiing, bungee jumping, scuba diving etc. we have all read
the horror stories of manufacturers warranties. Not for me-no hoops=no stressWell said, Rocky. It's unusual to find someone of a like mind where caravan warranties are concerned. The dealers and manufacturers will shift heaven and earth to get out of meeting a claim. Been there, done that and now we go our own stress free way and
repair any problems ourselves. The relatively small cost involved is far outweighed by the saving in time and hassle that dealing with the big white sharks involves.I'd go with that but unfortunately 'big' issues like water ingress, or floor delamination mean it is crucial to follow their warranty conditions. Don't give them the ammunition to weasel out of correcting their mistakes!
It can all be fixed, Micky. It's perfectly possible to look after and check a van yourself and there are far cheaper repairers around than main dealers would have you believe. So many people buy vans hundreds of miles from home - think of the hassle they
could save themselves by not needing to return to that dealership.0 -
Oh the Motormoaners are ganging up
when most open their taps fully and overwhelming the drain so it runs all over the road,
besides not bothering to align properlySteady on Dave I Find that a tad unkind
!Had you watched me prep[aring for the drive home from Durham Grange on Tuesday you would have seen me align Grey tap with Grid ( a good drain point on this site !! ), drain fully then reposition & empty fresh water into
same point & finish with a splash all round from the site's hose !Personally I would find the dumping of any waste, be it fresh or grey, on any pitch, grass, hardstanding or Serviced purely a demonstration of idleness, nothing less.
Brian
I'm sure Brian you do it to perfection
It was a tongue in cheek reply as shown by the inclusion of appropriate smilies but I did stay on the pitch adjacent to the emptying point at Baltic Wharf when this women emptied it full flow, which then streamed
across the road onto my hardstanding.0 -
Micky Boy, you don't get it
. They dont weasel out of something I don't recognise. I've always accepted full responsibility for everything
re LV. No hoops=no stress. Jobs a gud un0 -
Micky Boy, you don't get it
. They dont weasel out of something I don't recognise. I've always accepted full responsibility for everything
re LV. No hoops=no stress. Jobs a gud unI get it Rocky but there are occasions where their negligence could render your pride and joy almost worthless! They need to be taken to account! They will wriggle out and we can give them the opportunity!
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Disregarding what opinion you may have re draining 10 L onto the pitch. Is there any regulation / rule against it? There seems to be rules about a lot of other things, but I don't recall one about that. Although I do recall something about not draining hot
water onto grass, which I don't think even us advocates of draining would ever condone.I suspect CC thought common sense would dictate not to chuck water of any sort onto pitches, Steve. They can't create rules to cover every little occurrence of day to day living on site.
You surprise me TW, have you not been reading the numerous posts on CT decrying the rule laden culture of the CC "and that's why we don't use CC sites but CL's" comments.
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but they have said you can wash/wipe your caravan down with clean water only?
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Disregarding what opinion you may have re draining 10 L onto the pitch. Is there any regulation / rule against it? There seems to be rules about a lot of other things, but I don't recall one about that. Although I do recall something about not draining hot
water onto grass, which I don't think even us advocates of draining would ever condone.I suspect CC thought common sense would dictate not to chuck water of any sort onto pitches, Steve. They can't create rules to cover every little occurrence of day to day living on site.
You surprise me TW, have you not been reading the numerous posts on CT decrying the rule laden culture of the CC "and that's why we don't use CC sites but CL's" comments.
Why should my post surprise you, Steve? You don't believe all you read, do you?
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SL, they didn't need to consider whether they would cover anything. I never had a problem
. If I did then I'd sort it. I've never been
a slave to warranty's, I do things that suit me & that has never included worrying about jumping thru manufacturers hoops.Rocky I accept your take on the situation, you have never had a problem. However, I assume manufactures don't go to the trouble of providing false information. Therefore, I think I will continue to follow it. If it is unnecessary, I will have wasted a small
amount of my time. To drain on pitch, or not, is quite another question.SL, they're hoops, nothing more or less. They employ folk to invent 'get out clauses' similar to insurance companys selling 'extreme sports' cover that(in the small print) excludes-rock climbing, skiing, bungee jumping, scuba diving etc. we have all read
the horror stories of manufacturers warranties. Not for me-no hoops=no stressPersonally I don't find it stressful all, to ask a manufacturer to live up to their responsibilities, as long as I have followed any guidance on use that is given. If we had not done so we would have been faced with a bill for several hundred pounds last
year, and no there was no cheaper DIY fix.0
