Can I empty clean water onto pitch?

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  • black caviar
    black caviar Forum Participant Posts: 242
    edited April 2016 #32

    Nope not paranoid about weight at all just a novice caravanner who emptied her onboard fresh water tank and assumed as i turned taps to warm that boiler would empty as i ran them till no more water came out (isnt that the done thing?) regards mrs bc

  • SteveL
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    So where should we draw the line?  10, 20, 50, 100, 200, litres?  



    You would have to be paranoid about weight to drain the boiler down every time - unless it is the final night before storage. If you do that then next time it is an extra 8 litres to carry from the tap and you have to put up with
    all the coughing and spluttering to prime the system.

    Personally I think the average water heater with a maximum capacity of 10 L should not present a major problem. As I said a moderate rainstorm will deposit more.

    As too paranoid, surely it is up to the individual if they want to haul it around. The Alde system requires an air cushion periodically re-establishing within the heating cylinder. Draining down and refilling does this.

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  • SteveL
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    edited April 2016 #35

    I prefer to pitch on a relatively dry area rather than a bog curtesy of the previous occupant. 

    We are not likely to trouble you then, as we will only pitch on grass if forced to.

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  • JVB66
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    edited April 2016 #37

    I prefer to pitch on a relatively dry area rather than a bog curtesy of the previous occupant. 

    .A motor home  who wants grass pitches thats novel..Wink

  • black caviar
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    edited April 2016 #38

    So does that mean i can just leave all fresh water in system i? If so for how long ? I do only use it for washing etc not drinking so how long before water goes stale? Cheers mrs bc

  • SteveL
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    So where should we draw the line?  10, 20, 50, 100, 200, litres?  



    You would have to be paranoid about weight to drain the boiler down every time - unless it is the final night before storage. If you do that then next time it is an extra 8 litres to carry from the tap and you have to put up with
    all the coughing and spluttering to prime the system.

    Personally I think the average water heater with a maximum capacity of 10 L should not present a major problem. As I said a moderate rainstorm will deposit more.

    As too paranoid, surely it is up to the individual if they want to haul it around. The Alde system requires an air cushion periodically re-establishing within the heating cylinder. Draining down and refilling does this.

    The weather can't be controlled, not even by CC Ltd or any of its members, but adding water can and putting both together could harm the pitch for the next occupant.  Do you think that is a reasonable thing to do?  

    As I put earlier we normally stop for a week. I like traveling on a Sunday. I think you are totally over reacting if you think 8 L of water is going to be an issue on a pitch that has been shielded from the weather for 7 days. Even on grass, which as I also
    stated, we only use if there is no other choice. I am not commenting about what others should do, just myself. Others must make their own minds up about the consequences of their actions.

  • SteveL
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    edited April 2016 #40

    So does that mean i can just leave all fresh water in system i? If so for how long ? I do only use it for washing etc not drinking so how long before water goes stale? Cheers mrs bc

    You don't say if you are caravaners or motorhomers. If caravaners, it will depend on where your tank is and any impact it may have on your hitch load. Also the type of system you have. If Alde, they recommend draining and refilling periodically to establish
    an air cushion. This recommendation is for a stationary van, so I have no idea what affect traveling has on said cushion. Hence I drain down each time we move on.

  • KjellNN
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    edited April 2016 #41

    We usually only drain down when we get home after a trip, if it is a long trip we do drain down after about 4-5 weeks for the Alde.

    If doing it on a site we would collect the water as far as possible and dispose of it in the usual manner.

    On our last day we do try to manage the amount of water so that we do not have an excess.  Any excess in the inboard tank we empty into the wastemaster for normal disposal.

    Excess in the Aquaroll I would normally also take to the disposal point, unless our pitch is next to the perimiter and there was a needy hedge.

    I never empty clean water on or beside the actual pitch.

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  • richardandros
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    edited April 2016 #43

    So does that mean i can just leave all fresh water in system i? If so for how long ? I do only use it for washing etc not drinking so how long before water goes stale? Cheers mrs bc

    You don't say if you are caravaners or motorhomers. If caravaners, it will depend on where your tank is and any impact it may have on your hitch load. Also the type of system you have. If Alde, they recommend draining and refilling periodically to establish
    an air cushion. This recommendation is for a stationary van, so I have no idea what affect traveling has on said cushion. Hence I drain down each time we move on.

    There is actually a very prominent sticker on our Alde boiler instructing you to drain down EVERY time before moving off.

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  • JVB66
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    edited April 2016 #45

    I prefer to pitch on a relatively dry area rather than a bog curtesy of the previous occupant. 

    .A motor home  who wants grass pitches thats novel..Wink

    Hard Standings are not always available.  But if it is the norm to dump fresh water on a pitch then it will save me fiddling at the MHSP and I'm happy to leave the next occupant a mud wrestling swimming pool duck pond Tongue Out.
     Of course there is the possibility that an adjacent pitch may get an unexpected water feature Wink.

    ..But off course being a m/v.you would need to use a container under your water tank, to be as user friendly as a c/van user who would of course empty theirs around the pitch instead of in one areaTongue Out

  • SteveL
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    edited April 2016 #46

     

    There is actually a very prominent sticker on our Alde boiler instructing you to drain down EVERY time before moving off.

    Does it give this information in the User Manuel? If so which chapter please?

    There is no sticker on our boiler, but it does state in our 2014 Unicorn manual (Section 19 Alde Heating Systen) that if the Alde is in continuous use it should be emptied approximately once a month to ensure that a new air cushion is formed, this is essential to absorb pressure surges within the boiler. I was just being cautious emptying ours every one or two weeks when we move on, as I was unsure what bumping over our uneven roads would do to the air cushion. Perhaps, from the sticker that richardandros has Alde have also decided this is a good idea.

  • richardandros
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    edited April 2016 #47

    SteveL - I have just been to have another look at the sticker.  (I would have put a photo on here if it wasn't so complicatedEmbarassed)
     It's white with a red border - about 4"x2" and says - "Ensure on board water heater and on board tank (if fitted) are drained down when travelling."

    Have to admit that whilst it's on the boiler, there is nothing to identify it as Alde therefore it could just as easily have been put there by Bailey. Whilst I can find reference in the handbook (p.38) to draining down the on-board tank, there is no such
    advice re the Alde heating system other than when in continuous use as mentioned above.

    Our van is a 2015 Barcelona if this helps.

  • Wildwood
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    edited April 2016 #48

    The one thing you must not do is empty hot water onto a grass pitch as it can kill the grass. On a wet grass pitch it could also cause problems so I would not do it.

  • Tirril
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    edited April 2016 #49

    I empty the heating tank (Alde) and also the loo cassette and the header tank for virtually all journeys. No point in hauling extra weight. The loo also at the end of the unit could slosh about and encourage instability. If only travelling a short distance to the next site I tend not to bother.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2016 #50

    The problem is where do you drain down your caravan's water heater if not on the pitch? Would anyone suggest hitching up tow the van onto the road then get back in to open the valve?

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  • m0rrisman
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    The problem is where do you drain down your caravan's water heater if not on the pitch? Would anyone suggest hitching up tow the van onto the road then get back in to open the valve?

    Write your comments here...yes

  • Metheven
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    edited April 2016 #53

    Unless I'm going home I never drain the Truma combi, never drain the flush tank and leave a bit of fresh in the loo cassette. Never did me any harm and not interested if I'm carrying extra weight, economy or how it will affect my spreadsheet if I bothered to do one.

    Whats left in the aquaroll gets put into the hedge but usually we time it about right so its nigh on empty.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2016 #54

    The problem is where do you drain down your caravan's water heater if not on the pitch? Would anyone suggest hitching up tow the van onto the road then get back in to open the valve?

    You could always use the MHSP on the way out.  I won't complain but some might Undecided.

    well yes, but difficult to place the caravan with its drain tube somewhere exactly over the MH drain?

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2016 #55

    The problem is where do you drain down your caravan's water heater if not on the pitch? Would anyone suggest hitching up tow the van onto the road then get back in to open the valve?

    Write your comments here...yes

    Ok you can suggest it but I'll just empty on the pitch thanks Smile

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  • Metheven
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    The problem is where do you drain down your caravan's water heater if not on the pitch? Would anyone suggest hitching up tow the van onto the road then get back in to open the valve?

    You could always use the MHSP on the way out.  I won't complain but some might Undecided.

    well yes, but difficult to place the caravan with its drain tube somewhere exactly over the MH drain?

    Tis reported that CC Ltd is installing grids to make it easier for MHers and cater for those that find manoeuvring a little too challenging.  

    Thank gawd for that, I've seen some right antics with Motorhomers shuttling to and fro and side to side trying to find the manhole.Laughing

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  • Metheven
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    edited April 2016 #59

    No more of that for me.  It seems that dumping on the pitch is acceptable so that will be my approach from now on :whistle2:

    If you must then could I interest you in attaching one of these to the outside of your Motorhome Laughing

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  • huskydog
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    No more of that for me.  It seems that dumping on the pitch is acceptable so that will be my approach from now on :whistle2:

    If you must then could I interest you in attaching one of these to the outside of your Motorhome
    Laughing

    So, something else iv'e got to buy , the list is endlessUndecided. Use left and right arrows to navigate.